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Post by pinman on May 8, 2024 13:30:06 GMT -5
The talk on the other thread mentioning school shooting got me back to thinking about the sentiments against allowing Teachers to carry arms. I wouldnt agree with forcing Teachers to be armed. But if some want to be armed and have training why not? It is becoming a thing in some states including Florida I think. But why the opposition? Wouldnt anyone want a former police officer, or a competitive shooter etc. to have a weapon in class? You cant say you dont want guns around kids because if you take them to the grocery store or Walmart they are walking past plenty of guns without even knowing it. I just dont get it.
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Post by gardawg on May 8, 2024 13:34:33 GMT -5
arming teachers is not upsetting
needing to arm teachers is
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Post by gandy on May 8, 2024 13:36:37 GMT -5
2 words for ya - lawyers liability side note
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Post by tonyroma on May 8, 2024 13:48:00 GMT -5
Putnam county has armed teachers. Every school has a big sign out front explaining it.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 8, 2024 13:52:45 GMT -5
Yes. Absolutely needed this day and age.
Unfortunate but true. We are past the point of viable alternatives.
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Post by madm002 on May 8, 2024 13:58:19 GMT -5
So what happens when some of these juvenile deliquents get the drop on the teacher and takes his weapon? Not saying I disagree, but there are risks that go with this. This is adressing a symptom not the problem
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Post by gandy on May 8, 2024 14:16:17 GMT -5
Putnam county has armed teachers. Every school has a big sign out front explaining it. The sign alone is a huge deterrent all by itself.
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Post by pinman on May 8, 2024 18:39:23 GMT -5
So what happens when some of these juvenile deliquents get the drop on the teacher and takes his weapon? Not saying I disagree, but there are risks that go with this. This is adressing a symptom not the problem Interesting point and one I havent thought about. Would depend on the makeup of the school also - rough schools would be tough. But assurances would need to be made that the gun could never be revealed. 1st line of defense at a school = perimeter. 2nd = armed guard. 3rd = armed teachers.
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Post by garycoleco on May 8, 2024 19:38:25 GMT -5
The school my children go to highly encourages it. All the ones I know personally carry.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 9, 2024 14:33:11 GMT -5
Uvalde law enforcement professionals and all their resources, and training couldn't help, nor did the trained cop at Parkland help, but sure, a guy in PE shorts is going to make all the difference.
Oh, and kids see and know everything so it's silly to think it's goin to be a secret for long.
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Post by mapper on May 9, 2024 14:40:18 GMT -5
I'll call bullshit on ulvade. There was no command structure and no one was in the lead. I mean a hour in the active shooter and a different agency said screw this, we are taking control and going in..I think it was a teachers husband who was border patrol..
Feel free to read the report..plenty of blame to spread around..just like a lot of the other incidents..there is no duty to protect..look at case law. I'd rather had had the guy in pe shorts..
There is training on threat assessment and weapon retention, and other skills you know..just saying.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 9, 2024 14:45:25 GMT -5
I'll call bullshit on ulvade. There was no command structure and no one was in the lead. I mean a hour in the active shooter and a different agency said screw this, we are taking control and going in..I think it was a teachers husband who was border patrol.. Feel free to read the report..plenty of blame to spread around..just like a lot of the other incidents..there is no duty to protect..look at case law. I'd rather had had the guy in pe shorts.. There is training on threat assessment and weapon retention, and other skills you know..just saying. The odds of a kid taking the gun and using it in school because it's already there, are higher than a teacher preemptively stopping anything.
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Post by mapper on May 9, 2024 14:52:23 GMT -5
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Post by cyclist on May 9, 2024 14:56:10 GMT -5
I'll call bullshit on ulvade. There was no command structure and no one was in the lead. I mean a hour in the active shooter and a different agency said screw this, we are taking control and going in..I think it was a teachers husband who was border patrol.. Feel free to read the report..plenty of blame to spread around..just like a lot of the other incidents..there is no duty to protect..look at case law. I'd rather had had the guy in pe shorts.. There is training on threat assessment and weapon retention, and other skills you know..just saying. But teachers would do better, ha ha ha.
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Post by mapper on May 9, 2024 14:58:58 GMT -5
Reading the report, they couldn't have done worse..so give them the option if they are willing. 66 minutes later after initial shots, border patrol tactical unit engages shooter..
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