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Post by pinman on May 10, 2024 9:12:54 GMT -5
The way I envision it is a last line of defense thing. Secure the entrances. Armed guard. Teacher in locked room with students but instead of cowering some are armed. MSD High in Parkland had an armed guard. But it was a couple of teachers and personnel that lost their lives trying to help the students. If only they had been armed.
And yes BT, if students are attacking to get the gun shoot to neutralize. It would be that way on the street regardless of age.
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Post by garycoleco on May 10, 2024 19:29:30 GMT -5
Same group of old crybaby bitches.... Do you have an answer for what a teacher should do if a student tries to get their gun? Shoot them, or don't, it's not a trick question. I never saw your initial question. I don't read threads like this, that woukd be ridiculous. It's always the same thing...... Blah blah blah. Cry cry cry... It's simple really. We're all alive. None of us were victims of mass murders. We're all killers. Throughout history we've killed. Not too long ago we killed people for cheating in poker. In more recent history your party of love attacked, beat, killed, and chased black people with police dogs.....
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Post by gandy on May 11, 2024 9:35:27 GMT -5
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Post by mapper on May 11, 2024 10:48:13 GMT -5
Thanks Gandy, I knew Jefferson said it before but didn't know if he was author of it. +1 for the history lesson and a look back in the mindset of our founders.
It was true then, and still true now.
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Post by tonyroma on May 11, 2024 11:11:02 GMT -5
While I agree on the right to defend yourself I don’t think Jefferson considered a future where a single shooter could put 1000 rounds down range. Killing 58 and wounding 800.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 11, 2024 11:39:10 GMT -5
While I agree on the right to defend yourself I don’t think Jefferson considered a future where a single shooter could put 1000 rounds down range. Killing 58 and wounding 800. They had cannons and grape shot. Equally devastating. What the framers did not envision was a nation of soft laws that did not sufficiently punish the lawless. How do you think they would have handled a person indiscriminately shooting people. 20 years of trials and a relative “slap on the wrist” or an immediate bullet to the head.
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Post by tonyroma on May 11, 2024 12:02:57 GMT -5
While I agree on the right to defend yourself I don’t think Jefferson considered a future where a single shooter could put 1000 rounds down range. Killing 58 and wounding 800. They had cannons and grape shot. Equally devastating. What the framers did not envision was a nation of soft laws that did not sufficiently punish the lawless. How do you think they would have handled a person indiscriminately shooting people. 20 years of trials and a relative “slap on the wrist” or an immediate bullet to the head. Ummmm, I believe the framers set up a system that let even the most awful criminals have their chance in court. And in what world are people that shoot people getting a slap on the wrist?
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 11, 2024 12:16:00 GMT -5
Twenty years alive in prison and/or released on a technicality is a slap on the wrist.
Speedy trial and execution if justified were the methods of that time I believe.
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Post by walkerdog on May 11, 2024 12:38:54 GMT -5
The probability of a child trying to get their hands on a teachers gun is actually very high. I'm asking what's the policy if a kid tries to get the gun? Is the teacher supposed to shoot them? It's not an improbable hypothetical, and I would think there is a policy. It's not a trick question. Where is your source to back up this opinion? Sounds like supposition at best, though I’m open to being proven wrong by a cited study that demonstrates that what you’re claiming is actually true. Short of that, it’s just your usual hair on fire hysteria.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 11, 2024 12:47:11 GMT -5
The probability of a child trying to get their hands on a teachers gun is actually very high. I'm asking what's the policy if a kid tries to get the gun? Is the teacher supposed to shoot them? It's not an improbable hypothetical, and I would think there is a policy. It's not a trick question. Where is your source to back up this opinion? Sounds like supposition at best, though I’m open to being proven wrong by a cited study that demonstrates what you’re claiming is actually true. Short of that, it’s just your usual hair on fire hysteria. Newsflash, kids do stupid shit.
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Post by walkerdog on May 11, 2024 12:50:05 GMT -5
Thanks Einstein, but that doesn’t equate to what you said about the odds being greater.
All it says is that teens do stupid things as teens have always done. I have yet to hear of a single incidence of what you’re claing to be true actually happening, let alone meeting the high bar of your claim.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 11, 2024 23:11:13 GMT -5
Thanks Einstein, but that doesn’t equate to what you said about the odds being greater. All it says is that teens do stupid things as teens have always done. I have yet to hear of a single incidence of what you’re claing to be true actually happening, let alone meeting the high bar of your claim. How about three at the top of my search simple search. I guess kids aren't the only ones doing stupid shit. A third-grade boy was able to snake a finger inside a school resource officer's holster earlier this month, firing one shot from the officer’s department-issued Glock 22 pistol into the floor of a Minnesota gymnasium earlier this month, Maplewood Police confirmed. A high school student in Michigan is accused of grabbing a sheriff deputy’s holster during a struggle after he allegedly assaulted his ex-girlfriend in a school hallway in August. He grabbed the officer’s retention holster so hard that the weapon fired, discharging one bullet through the bottom of the holster, hitting the floor and ricocheting into a wall, according to ABC affiliate WJRT. The same month in Kansas, school resource officers were called to Garden City High School to deal with a student who was upset and agitated. When the 16-year old student saw one of the officers, he began yelling and threatening the officer. A struggle ensued and the boy tried to grab the officer’s gun, Garden City Police said in a media release.abcnews.go.com/US/students-grabbing-guns-officers-highlights-dangers-weapons-school/story?id=53413914
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Post by biminitwisted on May 11, 2024 23:13:20 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on May 11, 2024 23:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on May 11, 2024 23:14:56 GMT -5
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