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Post by misterjr on May 2, 2024 12:33:09 GMT -5
Thoughts? Twenty-six Republican attorneys general filed lawsuits Wednesday challenging a new Biden administration rule requiring firearms dealers across the United States to run background checks on buyers at gun shows and other places outside brick-and-mortar stores. The lawsuits filed in federal court in Arkansas, Florida and Texas are seeking to block enforcement of the rule announced last month, which aims to close a loophole that has allowed tens of thousands of guns to be sold every year by unlicensed dealers who do not perform background checks to ensure the potential buyer is not legally prohibited from having a firearm. “Congress has never passed into law the ATF’s dramatic new expansion of firearms dealer license requirements, and President Biden cannot unilaterally impose them,” Arkansas Attorney General Tim Griffin said in a statement. "This lawsuit is just the latest instance of my colleagues in other states and me having to remind the President that he must follow the law.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/26-republican-attorneys-general-sue-to-block-biden-rule-requiring-background-checks-at-gun-shows/ar-AA1o09jwMy thoughts are, why should gun shows be exempt?
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Post by Tarponator on May 2, 2024 12:42:11 GMT -5
They shouldn't be.
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Post by cadman on May 2, 2024 13:02:17 GMT -5
Thoughts? Twenty-six Republican attorneys general filed lawsuits Wednesday challenging a new Biden administration rule requiring firearms dealers across the United States to run background checks on buyers at gun shows and other places outside brick-and-mortar stores. The lawsuits filed in federal court in Arkansas, Florida and Texas are seeking to block enforcement of the rule announced last month, which aims to close a loophole that has allowed tens of thousands of guns to be sold every year by unlicensed dealers who do not perform background checks to ensure the potential buyer is not legally prohibited from having a firearm. “Congress has never passed into law the ATF’s dramatic new expansion of firearms dealer license requirements, and President Biden cannot unilaterally impose them,” Arkansas Attorney General Tim Griffin said in a statement. "This lawsuit is just the latest instance of my colleagues in other states and me having to remind the President that he must follow the law.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/26-republican-attorneys-general-sue-to-block-biden-rule-requiring-background-checks-at-gun-shows/ar-AA1o09jwMy thoughts are, why should gun shows be exempt? Congress should address the issue. I do agree that the executive branch oversteps it's authority. But since Congress cant or want do their job and don't seem to object, The President expands his power every four years. Wait until next year, I expect the winner in November will go to the extreme over stepping his authority. But Congress is the problem. They can stop the President by doing their damn job. Pass legislation that says gun shows are or are not exempt. Pass laws limiting the President's power. But that would mean they might have to earn a paycheck.
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Post by nikonoclast on May 2, 2024 14:38:19 GMT -5
When are person to person transfers becoming illegal?
Are relations covered?
Generational transfers?
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Post by Captj on May 2, 2024 15:15:43 GMT -5
If Trump had suggested the same legislation it would have been praised by the right.
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Post by meateater on May 2, 2024 16:16:39 GMT -5
would love to see the data, crimes committed by guns purchased at gun shows, willing to bet my left nut its a tiny percentage.
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Post by mapper on May 2, 2024 16:52:13 GMT -5
Well the rule is 126 pages. Here is a link to it (pdf) Published rule pdfThe rule sets up presumptions. It needs to be read. +1 on the 26 AG from the states who have read it.
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Post by garycoleco on May 2, 2024 19:25:41 GMT -5
It's all a boogieman that people keep falling for.
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Post by nikonoclast on May 2, 2024 21:10:57 GMT -5
It's all a boogieman that people keep falling for. Right up until the point the "boogyman" goes postal. That poor schlub in Maine was reported several times. The warnings of violent ideation were ignored. Two days after the fact, news showed lines outside Maine gun shops. Are we missing something here? Just yesterday, a woman died at the hands of a guy with a "restraining order". Reportedly, cops refused to enforce the order. Are we missing something here? Is it a choice between vindictive reporting by an angry ex, and judicial findings for a dead one? If so, I know which direction is preferred. Angry exes can face charges, battered women face a coroner.
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Post by luapnor on May 2, 2024 23:09:49 GMT -5
It's all a boogieman that people keep falling for. Yup.
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Post by throttle on May 3, 2024 1:14:09 GMT -5
If Trump had suggested the same legislation it would have been praised by the right. Bullshit.
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Post by throttle on May 3, 2024 1:24:51 GMT -5
Thoughts? Twenty-six Republican attorneys general filed lawsuits Wednesday challenging a new Biden administration rule requiring firearms dealers across the United States to run background checks on buyers at gun shows and other places outside brick-and-mortar stores. The lawsuits filed in federal court in Arkansas, Florida and Texas are seeking to block enforcement of the rule announced last month, which aims to close a loophole that has allowed tens of thousands of guns to be sold every year by unlicensed dealers who do not perform background checks to ensure the potential buyer is not legally prohibited from having a firearm. “Congress has never passed into law the ATF’s dramatic new expansion of firearms dealer license requirements, and President Biden cannot unilaterally impose them,” Arkansas Attorney General Tim Griffin said in a statement. "This lawsuit is just the latest instance of my colleagues in other states and me having to remind the President that he must follow the law.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/26-republican-attorneys-general-sue-to-block-biden-rule-requiring-background-checks-at-gun-shows/ar-AA1o09jwMy thoughts are, why should gun shows be exempt? The weird thing is that when I bought a gun at a gun show they ran a background check on me. That is the norm. You've been gaslit. The idea that gun shows are free for alls is bogus. Since the vendors at gun shows are licensed dealers they are required to run background checks, the same as if they sell from their store. The "gun show loophole" that you keep hearing about isn't unique to gun shows at all. Private sales, which could transact at a gun show or in a Walmart parking lot, are legal. That drives would-be dictators to distraction. They want to track ALL sales so they can know whose door to bust in when it's time to confiscate. That's the truth of the issue.
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Post by cadman on May 3, 2024 4:55:45 GMT -5
Well the rule is 126 pages. Here is a link to it (pdf) Published rule pdfThe rule sets up presumptions. It needs to be read. +1 on the 26 AG from the states who have read it. That is not the rule, the proposed rule is within those 126 pages. The actual rule is 4 pages long beginning on page 29067 and ending on 29070. The stuff before that is the basis for the rule, the proposed rule, and comments. The stuff after that is the statutory review, costs, and such. The rule is not as clear as the ATF tries to claim and I especially do not like 'Section E. Presumptions That a Person Is Engaged in the Business'. I read that as the assumption you are guilty and need to prove your innocence. I also think the rule needs to clarify a minimum number of sales to be a dealer. Heck, under that rule, I was acting as dealer at certain times in the past and did not know it. I am in favor of stopping unqualified people from buying firearms. I am in favor of trying to ensure more purchases are done through legitimate dealers and background checks are performed. But that rule could get some people charged with crimes they are not guilty of due to an overzealous ATF agent or some pissed off relative who thinks you should give your gun collection to him rather than sell ti for a profit. Then you have to prove you are innocent, rather than they prove you are guilty. I doubt it survives the court challenges, but you never know. I think there needs to be background checks for purchasing firearms to keep them out of the hands of criminals and crazy people. Maybe the universal background check needs to handled at the state level and leave the fed out of it. 22 states already regulate private sales at gun shows and such. Let each state decide how it wants to handle private gun sales and then the citizens of those states can vote on it. I think those state laws have already passed some court challenges. I doubt the issue of illegal guns sales is a big issue in Montana like it would be in New York or Chicago.
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Post by cadman on May 3, 2024 5:04:50 GMT -5
Thoughts? Twenty-six Republican attorneys general filed lawsuits Wednesday challenging a new Biden administration rule requiring firearms dealers across the United States to run background checks on buyers at gun shows and other places outside brick-and-mortar stores. The lawsuits filed in federal court in Arkansas, Florida and Texas are seeking to block enforcement of the rule announced last month, which aims to close a loophole that has allowed tens of thousands of guns to be sold every year by unlicensed dealers who do not perform background checks to ensure the potential buyer is not legally prohibited from having a firearm. “Congress has never passed into law the ATF’s dramatic new expansion of firearms dealer license requirements, and President Biden cannot unilaterally impose them,” Arkansas Attorney General Tim Griffin said in a statement. "This lawsuit is just the latest instance of my colleagues in other states and me having to remind the President that he must follow the law.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/26-republican-attorneys-general-sue-to-block-biden-rule-requiring-background-checks-at-gun-shows/ar-AA1o09jwMy thoughts are, why should gun shows be exempt? The weird thing is that when I bought a gun at a gun show they ran a background check on me. That is the norm. You've been gaslit. The idea that gun shows are free for alls is bogus. Since the vendors at gun shows are licensed dealers they are required to run background checks, the same as if they sell from their store. The "gun show loophole" that you keep hearing about isn't unique to gun shows at all. Private sales, which could transact at a gun show or in a Walmart parking lot, are legal. That drives would-be dictators to distraction. They want to track ALL sales so they can know whose door to bust in when it's time to confiscate. That's the truth of the issue. You are being gaslit as well if you think anyone is going to confiscate your guns. That is just conspiracy bullshit. It is unconstitutional, congress will never pass such a law and the courts have ruled even states can not prohibit gun ownership. So let's stop with the "they're coming after my guns" bullshit once and for all. Nobody is ever coming after your guns. It is not even a remote possibility.
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Post by garycoleco on May 3, 2024 5:15:18 GMT -5
It's all a boogieman that people keep falling for. Right up until the point the "boogyman" goes postal. That poor schlub in Maine was reported several times. The warnings of violent ideation were ignored. Two days after the fact, news showed lines outside Maine gun shops. Are we missing something here? Just yesterday, a woman died at the hands of a guy with a "restraining order". Reportedly, cops refused to enforce the order. Are we missing something here? Is it a choice between vindictive reporting by an angry ex, and judicial findings for a dead one? If so, I know which direction is preferred. Angry exes can face charges, battered women face a coroner. I forgot. No one ever passes a background check and commits a crime..... Good grief
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