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Post by cadman on Apr 24, 2024 8:42:45 GMT -5
Pretty sure falsifying tax returns in New York is not "garbage" and highly illegal. If Trump paid a porn star with corporate money and deducted as a legal expense on his tax records, that is fraud. He would be guilty of fraud. He should have pled guilty back in 2022 and ended this thing then by paying the taxes he owed and any fines due. I am sure he could have made a deal with prosecutors. This case began back in 2017, hardly a political move to interfere with the 2024 election. Trump has fought and delayed this thing every step of the way to be sure it was an issue during this election. I did say that. The “garbage” part are the allegations of Federal election fraud that the Feds themselves didn’t prosecute. Its not election fraud to have your buddy that owns a magazine help you out in the election by running favorable stories of you while suppressing unfavorable stories. That’s politics 101 and staggering hypocritical for any Democrat to go after. The Democratic party is nothing but a massive political machine that operates on the same principles. I did not read that in the three charges listed in BT's post that you responded to. I think Pecker's testimony is to show a coordinated effort to influence the election. Asking a publisher to kill a story or giving him one to publish might be legal, but Pecker worked with Trump to buy the rights to Daniel's story and then not publish it. He worked directly with the campaign. That is illegal under the election laws. It is a grey area where you cross the kine, but it is relevant to showing a pattern of illegal behavior by Trump. I don't think telling Pecker not to publish the story is one of the charges against Trump.
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 24, 2024 9:18:03 GMT -5
I did say that. The “garbage” part are the allegations of Federal election fraud that the Feds themselves didn’t prosecute. Its not election fraud to have your buddy that owns a magazine help you out in the election by running favorable stories of you while suppressing unfavorable stories. That’s politics 101 and staggering hypocritical for any Democrat to go after. The Democratic party is nothing but a massive political machine that operates on the same principles. I did not read that in the three charges listed in BT's post that you responded to. I think Pecker's testimony is to show a coordinated effort to influence the election. Asking a publisher to kill a story or giving him one to publish might be legal, but Pecker worked with Trump to buy the rights to Daniel's story and then not publish it. He worked directly with the campaign. That is illegal under the election laws. It is a grey area where you cross the kine, but it is relevant to showing a pattern of illegal behavior by Trump. I don't think telling Pecker not to publish the story is one of the charges against Trump. I didn’t think it was one of the charges either, but that’s what the state is alleging in the document BT posted. They are claiming Trump did Federal election fraud by conspiring with Pecker. The official charge is the falsification of records, but the falsification is only a misdemeanor. To make the charge a felony, the falsification has to be done in furtherance of another crime. One of the crimes the state is alleging is that the conspiring with Pecker was itself a crime under Federal election law.
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Post by cadman on Apr 24, 2024 9:59:39 GMT -5
I did not read that in the three charges listed in BT's post that you responded to. I think Pecker's testimony is to show a coordinated effort to influence the election. Asking a publisher to kill a story or giving him one to publish might be legal, but Pecker worked with Trump to buy the rights to Daniel's story and then not publish it. He worked directly with the campaign. That is illegal under the election laws. It is a grey area where you cross the kine, but it is relevant to showing a pattern of illegal behavior by Trump. I don't think telling Pecker not to publish the story is one of the charges against Trump. I didn’t think it was one of the charges either, but that’s what the state is alleging in the document BT posted. They are claiming Trump did Federal election fraud by conspiring with Pecker. The official charge is the falsification of records, but the falsification is only a misdemeanor. To make the charge a felony, the falsification has to be done in furtherance of another crime. One of the crimes the state is alleging is that the conspiring with Pecker was itself a crime under Federal election law. They are claiming Pecker was involved in buying the rights to stories and then killing the stories. Pecker would find the stories through his connections and then notify Cohen who would provide the money to kill the story, It was direct involvement by the Trump campaign in a "Catch and kill" conspiracy. That is a violation of election law, if true. If Cohen was then reimbursed by Trump with corporate funds or Campaign funds for those payments and they were listed fraudulently in tax returns as legal expense, that would be the furtherance of another crime needed to make it a felony, as I understand the testimony Pecker gave and his and Cohen's involvement in the illegal payments to Daniels and McDougal. Pecker apparently went to Trump to offer his services and outline how to do the "catch and kill" conspiracy. It sounds like he was working for Trump and the campaign directly and not just an incidental case of a candidate urging a media outlet to kill a story.
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Post by tampaspicer on Apr 24, 2024 10:04:24 GMT -5
Pecker said that the Trump team didn't have the resources he did to to sniff out these stories ahead of time. That's where his services came into play for a fee. He knew the stories would start coming out of the woodwork because of Trumps promiscuous past. Annnnnnnnnnnnnd look what happened.
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 24, 2024 10:22:59 GMT -5
I didn’t think it was one of the charges either, but that’s what the state is alleging in the document BT posted. They are claiming Trump did Federal election fraud by conspiring with Pecker. The official charge is the falsification of records, but the falsification is only a misdemeanor. To make the charge a felony, the falsification has to be done in furtherance of another crime. One of the crimes the state is alleging is that the conspiring with Pecker was itself a crime under Federal election law. They are claiming Pecker was involved in buying the rights to stories and then killing the stories. Pecker would find the stories through his connections and then notify Cohen who would provide the money to kill the story, It was direct involvement by the Trump campaign in a "Catch and kill" conspiracy. That is a violation of election law, if true. If Cohen was then reimbursed by Trump with corporate funds or Campaign funds for those payments and they were listed fraudulently in tax returns as legal expense, that would be the furtherance of another crime needed to make it a felony, as I understand the testimony Pecker gave and his and Cohen's involvement in the illegal payments to Daniels and McDougal. Pecker apparently went to Trump to offer his services and outline how to do the "catch and kill" conspiracy. It sounds like he was working for Trump and the campaign directly and not just an incidental case of a candidate urging a media outlet to kill a story. That’s their theory, that “catch and kill” is a violation of election laws. I am not sure it is. Its a common practice in the media employed often where media moguls and politicians communicate how to run and spin stories for political gain. Is it distasteful and an abuse of Freedom of the Press? Sure it is. But Trump shouldn’t be selectively prosecuted under a strained theory that the entire Democratic establishment could probably be nuked for doing themselves on a daily basis. Cohen was convicted for an illegal campaign contribution to Trump, where his payment to Daniels was considered an illegal contribution to Trump’s campaign. So there’s a Federal crime right there that resulted in a conviction. Is the theory still strained? Yes it is. Cohen rolled over and accepted a plea that he might have won on, at least as to the campaign finance stuff. But sticking directly to things Cohen took a conviction for is a lot more conservative of an approach. I think a jury could say “well, Cohen went to prison for an aspect of this. So there must have been a crime there.”
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Post by cyclist on Apr 24, 2024 10:24:54 GMT -5
Funny that a guy in your position plays so fast and loose with the law. Especially considering that the evidence of criminal activity hasn’t even been presented yet. I wonder what NY prosecutors would opine about prosecutions in your jurisdiction? They would probably think us to be backwards and naive because we find political prosecutions offensive and an affront to justice. The cynical usually look down on the idealistic. Fer gawds sake, do you actually think trump is not a crook?
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 24, 2024 10:36:44 GMT -5
They would probably think us to be backwards and naive because we find political prosecutions offensive and an affront to justice. The cynical usually look down on the idealistic. Fer gawds sake, do you actually think trump is not a crook? Depends on how you define “crook.” Someone I don’t like and am not supporting? Yes. Likely in violation of laws relating to storing or returning classified documents? Yes. It wouldn’t be right to frame Al Capone for a crime he didn’t commit. I wouldn’t say Trump is being framed per se. But the law here is being stretched to get him on “something” because “Orange Man very bad,” with the knowledge that a Democratic judge and jury will convict him of anything put before them. If the purpose of this case wasn’t political, there would be no push to try it before the election. And it wouldn’t be overwhelmingly Democrats pushing it. The DA actually ran on the platform of “elect me and I’ll get Trump.” That’s disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2024 10:53:43 GMT -5
I heard Pecker was killing Trump stories long before he became a candidate. The prior involvement kind of nixes the idea that he did this as part of a conspiracy to effect the election.
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Post by cadman on Apr 24, 2024 11:03:31 GMT -5
I heard Pecker was killing Trump stories long before he became a candidate. The prior involvement kind of nixes the idea that he did this as part of a conspiracy to effect the election. The issue isn't that he did it, but was he being paid by the campaign to find these people and work with Cohen by buy and then kill the stories. That would be illegal under election laws. Asking a media outlet not to run a story is not illegal. Paying Pecker a fee to stop any media outlet from running the story by buying the rights would be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2024 12:09:35 GMT -5
Ok. Let me ask you this -
Why isn’t Hillary Clinton being charged for election interference for the “Russia Russia Russia hoax that her campaign paid for? This was done to influence the 2016 election for sure. Her campaign funds were used for this.
AND
Why aren’t Biden and his “crew” being charged for “killing” the sorry about their misdeeds that were uncovered by Hunter’s laptop. That was definitely done to influence the 2020 election. Definitely no chance to argue that.
Is it that only Republicans are charged
OR
Is it just Trump that is charged ?
Kind of stinks to high heaven doesn’t it. ??
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Post by cadman on Apr 24, 2024 16:51:37 GMT -5
Ok. Let me ask you this - Why isn’t Hillary Clinton being charged for election interference for the “Russia Russia Russia hoax that her campaign paid for? This was done to influence the 2016 election for sure. Her campaign funds were used for this. AND Why aren’t Biden and his “crew” being charged for “killing” the sorry about their misdeeds that were uncovered by Hunter’s laptop. That was definitely done to influence the 2020 election. Definitely no chance to argue that. Is it that only Republicans are charged OR Is it just Trump that is charged ? Kind of stinks to high heaven doesn’t it. ?? Your question about Hillary would be better asked to Donald Trump. When he was running in 2016 he said if he was elected she would go to jail. He said she was guilty of the Russia Hoax, her laptop emails, and assorted other crimes. Once he was elected, he had the power to have the justice department go after her with everything they had. But for some strange reason that he never explained, he forgot all about Hillary and the russian hoax. Maybe he was concerned an investigation might turn up something he didn't want public? But before you vote for him again, you should get him to answer that question. Hunter's laptop story was not killed. Nobody bought the rights and then refused to publish the story, In fact the New York Post bought the story and published it for the world to see. Many other outlets due to Giuliani's involvement and how he sold the story, did not want to report on the story without further proof. The FBI sent notices it could be Russian influence since Giuliani was involved and he was known to have russian connection. The social media sites for a few weeks did stop commentary on the story. In the Trumpc case, Trump paid a fee to Pecker to find negative stories and have Cohen pay to buy the rights and kill the story while fraudulently claiming they were legitimate business expenses. That is vastly different than what happened with Biden.
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Post by nuevowavo on Apr 25, 2024 14:33:01 GMT -5
I heard Pecker was killing Trump stories long before he became a candidate. The prior involvement kind of nixes the idea that he did this as part of a conspiracy to effect the election.
Describing the 2015 Trump Tower meeting, David Pecker said:
"At the meeting, Donald Trump and Michael (Cohen), they asked me, what can I do, and what my magazines could do, to help the campaign?"
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 25, 2024 15:09:04 GMT -5
Also: Pecker released McDougal and the doorman from their NDAs right after the election.
Kind of nixes the idea it was about anything but the puss-grabber's election.
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Post by ferris1248 on Apr 25, 2024 19:23:06 GMT -5
Ok. Let me ask you this - Why isn’t Hillary Clinton being charged for election interference for the “Russia Russia Russia hoax that her campaign paid for? This was done to influence the 2016 election for sure. Her campaign funds were used for this. AND Why aren’t Biden and his “crew” being charged for “killing” the sorry about their misdeeds that were uncovered by Hunter’s laptop. That was definitely done to influence the 2020 election. Definitely no chance to argue that. Is it that only Republicans are charged OR Is it just Trump that is charged ? Kind of stinks to high heaven doesn’t it. ?? Are you and Biden cousins? Your "TRUMP,TRUMP, TRUMP", "BIDEN,BIDEN,BIDEN" reminds me of Biden's early stuttering issues.
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Post by dragonbait on May 7, 2024 8:35:12 GMT -5
Manhattan weather report
Stormy
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Post by olmucky on May 7, 2024 9:03:24 GMT -5
Ok. Let me ask you this - Why isn’t Hillary Clinton being charged for election interference for the “Russia Russia Russia hoax that her campaign paid for? This was done to influence the 2016 election for sure. Her campaign funds were used for this. AND Why aren’t Biden and his “crew” being charged for “killing” the sorry about their misdeeds that were uncovered by Hunter’s laptop. That was definitely done to influence the 2020 election. Definitely no chance to argue that. Is it that only Republicans are charged OR Is it just Trump that is charged ? Kind of stinks to high heaven doesn’t it. ?? Your question about Hillary would be better asked to Donald Trump. When he was running in 2016 he said if he was elected she would go to jail. He said she was guilty of the Russia Hoax, her laptop emails, and assorted other crimes. Once he was elected, he had the power to have the justice department go after her with everything they had. But for some strange reason that he never explained, he forgot all about Hillary and the russian hoax. Maybe he was concerned an investigation might turn up something he didn't want public? But before you vote for him again, you should get him to answer that question. Hunter's laptop story was not killed. Nobody bought the rights and then refused to publish the story, In fact the New York Post bought the story and published it for the world to see. Many other outlets due to Giuliani's involvement and how he sold the story, did not want to report on the story without further proof. The FBI sent notices it could be Russian influence since Giuliani was involved and he was known to have russian connection. The social media sites for a few weeks did stop commentary on the story. In the Trumpc case, Trump paid a fee to Pecker to find negative stories and have Cohen pay to buy the rights and kill the story while fraudulently claiming they were legitimate business expenses. That is vastly different than what happened with Biden. Why didn’t NY go after Hillary? Or ATL? The laptop story wasn’t killed? Really?
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Post by cyclist on May 7, 2024 9:22:15 GMT -5
Your question about Hillary would be better asked to Donald Trump. When he was running in 2016 he said if he was elected she would go to jail. He said she was guilty of the Russia Hoax, her laptop emails, and assorted other crimes. Once he was elected, he had the power to have the justice department go after her with everything they had. But for some strange reason that he never explained, he forgot all about Hillary and the russian hoax. Maybe he was concerned an investigation might turn up something he didn't want public? But before you vote for him again, you should get him to answer that question. Hunter's laptop story was not killed. Nobody bought the rights and then refused to publish the story, In fact the New York Post bought the story and published it for the world to see. Many other outlets due to Giuliani's involvement and how he sold the story, did not want to report on the story without further proof. The FBI sent notices it could be Russian influence since Giuliani was involved and he was known to have russian connection. The social media sites for a few weeks did stop commentary on the story. In the Trumpc case, Trump paid a fee to Pecker to find negative stories and have Cohen pay to buy the rights and kill the story while fraudulently claiming they were legitimate business expenses. That is vastly different than what happened with Biden. Why didn’t NY go after Hillary? Or ATL? The laptop story wasn’t killed? Really? The would have if there was anything to go after.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 7, 2024 9:42:44 GMT -5
Why didn’t NY go after Hillary? Or ATL? The laptop story wasn’t killed? Really? The would have if there was anything to go after. Somebody should of investigated her.
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Post by olmucky on May 7, 2024 10:44:27 GMT -5
Why didn’t NY go after Hillary? Or ATL? The laptop story wasn’t killed? Really? The would have if there was anything to go after. Sure they did. The whole nation saw it.
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Post by cadman on May 7, 2024 11:13:29 GMT -5
Your question about Hillary would be better asked to Donald Trump. When he was running in 2016 he said if he was elected she would go to jail. He said she was guilty of the Russia Hoax, her laptop emails, and assorted other crimes. Once he was elected, he had the power to have the justice department go after her with everything they had. But for some strange reason that he never explained, he forgot all about Hillary and the russian hoax. Maybe he was concerned an investigation might turn up something he didn't want public? But before you vote for him again, you should get him to answer that question. Hunter's laptop story was not killed. Nobody bought the rights and then refused to publish the story, In fact the New York Post bought the story and published it for the world to see. Many other outlets due to Giuliani's involvement and how he sold the story, did not want to report on the story without further proof. The FBI sent notices it could be Russian influence since Giuliani was involved and he was known to have russian connection. The social media sites for a few weeks did stop commentary on the story. In the Trumpc case, Trump paid a fee to Pecker to find negative stories and have Cohen pay to buy the rights and kill the story while fraudulently claiming they were legitimate business expenses. That is vastly different than what happened with Biden. Why didn’t NY go after Hillary? Or ATL? The laptop story wasn’t killed? Really? She did not break NY law nor did she call the election officials in Georgia and tell them to find her enough votes to win. Trump did. You are aware there are state laws and federal laws. Two different things. She violated no laws in either state. Her transgressions were federal and Trump's DOJ did not prosecute her. You knew about Hunter's laptop before the election in 2020 and so did I. The story was out there. The issue, at the time, was, was it true or did Giuliani fake it. Giuliani refused to let the media have the hard disk to analyze it and most were worried it was a Giuliani fake story the way he was doing it. Most media outlets down played due to that. But it wasn't "killed" or we would not have known about it. Giuliani should have released it sooner, but he was going for an "October" surprise that failed.
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Post by gandy on May 7, 2024 11:17:55 GMT -5
Your question about Hillary would be better asked to Donald Trump. When he was running in 2016 he said if he was elected she would go to jail. He said she was guilty of the Russia Hoax, her laptop emails, and assorted other crimes. Once he was elected, he had the power to have the justice department go after her with everything they had. But for some strange reason that he never explained, he forgot all about Hillary and the russian hoax. Maybe he was concerned an investigation might turn up something he didn't want public? But before you vote for him again, you should get him to answer that question. Hunter's laptop story was not killed. Nobody bought the rights and then refused to publish the story, In fact the New York Post bought the story and published it for the world to see. Many other outlets due to Giuliani's involvement and how he sold the story, did not want to report on the story without further proof. The FBI sent notices it could be Russian influence since Giuliani was involved and he was known to have russian connection. The social media sites for a few weeks did stop commentary on the story. In the Trumpc case, Trump paid a fee to Pecker to find negative stories and have Cohen pay to buy the rights and kill the story while fraudulently claiming they were legitimate business expenses. That is vastly different than what happened with Biden. Why didn’t NY go after Hillary? Or ATL? The laptop story wasn’t killed? Really? .gov has targeting systems for most of their weapons. Judicial and propaganda weapons are locked on Trump.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 7, 2024 11:58:35 GMT -5
Fox News, the same station that posted Hunter Biden dick pics, is now horrified by the salacious sexual material coming from Trump's criminal case. .
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Post by cyclist on May 7, 2024 12:23:52 GMT -5
Fox News, the same station that posted Hunter Biden dick pics, is now horrified by the salacious sexual material coming from Trump's criminal case. . You woulda though faux news entertainment would be eating that up like trump grabs .
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Post by cadman on May 7, 2024 13:13:35 GMT -5
Fox News, the same station that posted Hunter Biden dick pics, is now horrified by the salacious sexual material coming from Trump's criminal case. . They want the dick! I'll have to read Stormy's testimony later. Rumor is Trump wants to fire his attorney mid trial.
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Post by nuevowavo on May 7, 2024 13:42:55 GMT -5
Rumor is Trump wants to fire his attorney mid trial.
Bring back Alina Habba!
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Post by Tarponator on May 7, 2024 14:23:54 GMT -5
Why didn’t NY go after Hillary? Or ATL? The laptop story wasn’t killed? Really? .gov has targeting systems for most of their weapons. Judicial and propaganda weapons are locked on Trump. That's what happens when you break the law.
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Post by dragonbait on May 7, 2024 14:28:54 GMT -5
What a devout xristian
You remind me of Ivanka, let’s *%#^
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Post by biminitwisted on May 7, 2024 14:32:52 GMT -5
What a devout xristian You remind me of Ivanka, let’s *%#^
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Post by Tarponator on May 7, 2024 14:41:57 GMT -5
”You remind me of my daughter because she is smart and blonde and beautiful and people underestimate her as well,”
That's what VonShitzInPantz said to (and before he fucked) the porn star while his wife was pregnant.
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Post by gandy on May 7, 2024 14:53:20 GMT -5
.gov has targeting systems for most of their weapons. Judicial and propaganda weapons are locked on Trump. That's what happens when you break the law. When you say it like that one might think there wasn't and isn't any shenanigans. There is endless shenanigans or he would have hung on any one of the shenanigan impeachments attempts. The weaponizes judicial and propaganda machine is still slinging goo and trying to get it to stick. This man gave up his lavish life to help our country. He didn't have to.
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