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Post by meateater on Apr 10, 2024 14:14:32 GMT -5
i was cool with the stimulus checks, i didnt need it cause im a baller but lots of people did. paying off student loans yes i think its a way to buy votes. whats next 50% off copenhagen dip and newports. menthol only
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Post by osprey11 on Apr 10, 2024 14:16:03 GMT -5
Low paying jobs. Once again the poor are suffering. Do the Dems care. Seems like they dont care. Inflation back up. Interest rates at decades high. Sure those flush with cash are happy. Those living paycheck to paycheck are suffering. And the dems say they are not. Good luck in Nov!
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Post by osprey11 on Apr 10, 2024 14:18:04 GMT -5
Delta had records sales. People are spending because they have the money, more jobs than ever, wages exceeding inflation, etc.
Humm could it be that Delta tickets cost more due to inflation? Thus leading to record sales God yall are daft!
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Post by cyclist on Apr 10, 2024 14:21:19 GMT -5
i was cool with the stimulus checks, i didnt need it cause im a baller but lots of people did. paying off student loans yes i think its a way to buy votes. whats next 50% off copenhagen dip and newports. menthol only What's the difference between bailing out small companies or huge "to big to fail" corporations? Allows people to be more productive and contribute more to our society. Except you probably get more bang by bailing our people rather than corporations beholden to stockholders. And corporation perpetrated the 2008 crisis and students were the victims.
By Charlie Eaton, Amber Villalobos and Frederick Wherry
Mr. Eaton, Ms. Villalobos and Mr. Wherry are sociologists who study higher education and student debt.
At least 43 million Americans have student loan debt, ranging from hundreds to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Until now, there’s been no hope of a bailout.
Just as some argued that the subprime mortgage crisis was a matter of millions of people choosing to borrow too much, others have said that the student debt crisis is primarily the fault of the debtors. This myth hides that it was a harmful policy decision to encourage disadvantaged students to borrow for college in the first place. In 2008, the federal government was willing to bail out banks after their risky lending practices devastated the economy. We need a similar such bailout today. But unlike in 2008, this bailout would go to the victims of a crisis, not its perpetrators.
For the last three decades, our government’s lending practices devoured borrowers’ incomes, prevented homeownership, and contributed to despairing anxiety. Lenders have denied borrowers access to loan relief programs and for-profit colleges have hounded prospective student borrowers, even when they knew graduates would get little return on their investments. By the time President Barack Obama left office, student loans were just as speculative and commonplace as subprime mortgages.
President Biden has signaled that we must make amends for this debt trap by bailing out the generation of borrowers who have been wronged. But the $10,000 of debt cancellation per borrower that he’s suggested will not be enough.
In 1975, only an estimated one in eight college students used federal student loans to pay for college. During that period, Pell Grants covered much of the cost of attending most public universities, and grants were available to anyone from middle- or low-income families.
But a surge of economically disadvantaged students pursued higher education in the 1980s as factory closures, automation and union-busting decimated the middle class. At the same time, President Ronald Reagan persuaded Congress to cut Pell Grant awards. Sign up for the Opinion Today newsletter Get expert analysis of the news and a guide to the big ideas shaping the world every weekday morning. Get it sent to your inbox.
In his speech accepting the Democratic nomination for President in 1992, Bill Clinton described a “New Covenant” with America that would include the largest-ever expansion of federal student loans. Until that point, loans had played a relatively small role in funding U.S. higher education. With student loans for all, he said, “the doors of colleges are thrown open once again to the sons and daughters of stenographers and steelworkers.”
The future president made Americans a promise: If they borrowed to pay for school, their debt would pave a path to economic mobility.
When Mr. Clinton and Democrats won control of the presidency and Congress, they allowed students to borrow unprecedented amounts from the government to pay for college. But this wasn’t altruism: A new accounting trick counted federal student loans as profitable assets instead of expenditures, which gave the administration a shortcut in balancing the budget. Editors’ Picks 5 Tips for Exercising During Allergy Season Da Vinci’s Been Dead for 500 Years. Who Gets to Profit from His Work? Making a Meal for a Date: When Is the Right Time?
Today, 63 percent of Americans over 25 have attended at least some college, and most of them have borrowed to pay for it. From the time of Mr. Clinton’s expansion of federal student loan programs in 1993, total borrowing quintupled to a peak of almost $120 billion in 2010.
The cost of college grew too. In the early 2000s, state governments reduced higher education funding per student, knowing that students could get federal loans to pay for increased tuition. Many students had to take on debt to attend even the public universities and community colleges that enroll most undergraduates.
Predatory for-profit colleges — which often went after Black undergraduates and low-income Pell recipients — especially plundered the expanded federal loan program, which paid them tens of billions of dollars for worthless diplomas or no degree at all. A promise of upward mobility quickly became a debt trap for borrowers and a financial bonanza for those receiving federal dollars to educate them.
What’s more, compound interest doesn’t pause just because loans aren’t being repaid. While new borrowing by students has declined since 2010, total unpaid student debt has doubled. In 2016, more than one-third of borrowers who started college in 2004 still owed more than they originally borrowed. Those numbers are worse for Black borrowers — two-thirds of them owed more than they initially borrowed more than a decade after they started school.
Borrowers are increasingly unable to repay their debts, not because of their mistakes but because of negligent government policies. Instead of expanding Pell Grants and affordable schools for these disproportionately Black and working class students, the government threw them to for-profit college recruiters and corporate loan servicers. Thirty years after Mr. Clinton’s speech, the promise of loan-financed college as a source of mobility for all has proved to be empty words.
The government’s attempted remedies have often made the problem worse. Under one program, borrowers were supposed to get forgiveness after they steadily made their loan payments for 20 to 25 years. But out of an estimated 4.4 million people who have been in repayment for that long, as of last year, only 32 people had ever managed to have their loans canceled.
Another program, put in place during George W. Bush’s presidency, promised to forgive public servants’ debts after 10 years of payments. As of September, 1.3 million public servants had applied for the program. Only 1 percent of them had ever received loan forgiveness.
Now, Mr. Biden has signaled that he intends to cancel at least $10,000 worth of student loan debt per borrower, which would, according to the Department of Education, eliminate the balances of 33 percent of all federal borrowers. That still leaves too many in debt, especially among those whose debts have increased since leaving school — based on our analysis, 86 percent of them would still owe money.
Mr. Biden’s proposed income eligibility requirements would also exclude upwardly mobile borrowers with low net worths, including many Black professionals. Worse still, verifying income for debt forgiveness would likely offer false hope of cancellation for millions of low-income borrowers who qualify, as the process, again a bureaucratic gantlet, may very well fail them.
Instead, Mr. Biden must bail out borrowers from the trap of unpayable debts. To do right by at least half of borrowers, he would need to cancel $30,000 per borrower. But to fulfill the promise of higher education, to narrow the racial wealth gap, and to foster an opportunity society, the administration should cancel at least $50,000 per borrower. This would completely bail out 36 million from student debt, according to our analysis, including 67 percent of those who still owe more than they originally borrowed.
A $50,000 bailout per borrower would eliminate only a portion of the $1.6 trillion in outstanding student debt. The government has done fine without collections for two years during the existing repayment pause. And the Department of Education expects that a third of this sum will never be collected anyway.
And no, debt cancellation would not disproportionately benefit the rich, who rarely borrow to pay for school — only 4 percent of the most wealthy have any student debt at all.
To protect future generations, Americans need forward-looking reforms for our higher education financing system. Congress should finally pass a proposal that guarantees enough Pell Grants and other debt-free financial aid for any student trying to earn a college degree. Several of these proposals would sensibly cap the tuition and attendance expenses that would otherwise increase in response to another well-intended policy gone wrong.
But unlike these debt-free college proposals, student debt cancellation does not require passage by a deadlocked Congress. Legal scholars say the Higher Education Act gives Mr. Biden the authority to cancel existing student debts by executive order. Doing so will put Congress on notice that it has to act.
Mr. Biden should make a major address on what it means to keep one’s promises, and announce that he’s bailing out borrowers. At his side could stand the military service members, the public-school teachers and the non-college goers who borrowed for their kids. They can testify that they are now able do things that were not possible before.
On that day, tens of millions of borrowers could log onto their federal loan accounts and read the same message: “Your debts are forgiven. Please forgive our failures.”
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Post by cyclist on Apr 10, 2024 14:22:54 GMT -5
Delta had records sales. People are spending because they have the money, more jobs than ever, wages exceeding inflation, etc.
Humm could it be that Delta tickets cost more due to inflation? Thus leading to record sales God yall are daft! I was wrong, not record sales, record bookings.
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Post by osprey11 on Apr 10, 2024 14:28:34 GMT -5
Delta had a good quarter. But how does that help the lower class living paycheck to paycheck? Prices are high. Caused by too much money in the system. So once again do you care about the poor or just big donors?
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Post by cyclist on Apr 10, 2024 14:37:55 GMT -5
Delta had a good quarter. But how does that help the lower class living paycheck to paycheck? Prices are high. Caused by too much money in the system. So once again do you care about the poor or just big donors? I'm poor by most of your standards. I never bought cut up chicken or fruit or veggies that is sometimes triple the price of whole items (I like to use my knives ). I don't buy expensive crap that is mostly air (boxed crackers, cereals, frozen foods, etc.). How many people eat out every day and complain about the prices? I don't drive gas guzzlers (or whine about fuel costs) and I have never ever had a car payment.It is unbelievable what people think are necessities all because they are too lazy to actually fix their dinners.
You don't care about people with three jobs that are living pay check to paycheck because right wingers are against a minimum wage, snap, medicaid, Obama care, aid to families with dependent children, etc., all programs that require the recipients to work and who live below the poverty level.
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Post by osprey11 on Apr 10, 2024 14:46:57 GMT -5
If that makes you sleep at night believe it then. I am all for helping out. Minium wage should be a starting point. Why should you be able to live well if you never try to advance. Snap should be for groceries PERIOD. Obama care raised my rate over 200% to pay for someone else, is that fair? I am for a safety net. Just not or subsidizing drug addicts and the lazy.
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Post by luapnor on Apr 10, 2024 15:29:30 GMT -5
Meh I use the gambling line as a better indicator. Has trump as a slight favorite. Pre-felony conviction. Those lines will move. Biden's inflation fighting skills will help him tremendously.
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Post by cyclist on Apr 10, 2024 15:43:20 GMT -5
Pre-felony conviction. Those lines will move. Biden's inflation fighting skills will help him tremendously. Biden's America had one of the lowest inflation rates in the world, everyone one is fighting the same battle, except the US is doing it better.
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Post by cyclist on Apr 10, 2024 15:44:12 GMT -5
Biden's inflation fighting skills will help him tremendously. Biden's America had one of the lowest inflation rates in the world, everyone one is fighting the same battle, except the US is doing it better.
Tell that to voters at the 7th grade mentality level and the trump voters who aren't even that.
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Post by osprey11 on Apr 10, 2024 15:45:14 GMT -5
Biden's inflation fighting skills will help him tremendously. Biden's America had one of the lowest inflation rates in the world, everyone one is fighting the same battle, except the US is doing it better.
Oh my that is funny.......and quite insane!
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Post by bottom feeder on Apr 10, 2024 15:46:25 GMT -5
Delta had records sales. People are spending because they have the money, more jobs than ever, wages exceeding inflation, etc.
Get your head out of your ass, record high credit card debt because of what people are spending.
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Post by cyclist on Apr 10, 2024 18:41:32 GMT -5
Biden's America had one of the lowest inflation rates in the world, everyone one is fighting the same battle, except the US is doing it better.
Oh my that is funny.......and quite insane! Prove what I say is wrong.
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Post by cyclist on Apr 10, 2024 18:42:53 GMT -5
Delta had records sales. People are spending because they have the money, more jobs than ever, wages exceeding inflation, etc.
Get your head out of your ass, record high credit card debt because of what people are spending. And? Whose fault is that? Maybe the folks that are spending?
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Post by luapnor on Apr 10, 2024 18:52:56 GMT -5
Get your head out of your ass, record high credit card debt because of what people are spending. And? Whose fault is that? Maybe the folks that are spending? A zombie voter...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2024 22:30:47 GMT -5
Inflation is ready to “roar”. Nice going Joe !!!
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 10, 2024 23:32:55 GMT -5
Where's that recession so many were so sure would have arrived long ago?
Fucking chicken littles got nothing to do but root for harm to come to America for their own petty political gain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2024 5:24:24 GMT -5
Nobody is rooting for harm. We are repulsed by the harm being done to our country by the Biden administration.
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Post by osprey11 on Apr 11, 2024 12:51:45 GMT -5
Where's that recession so many were so sure would have arrived long ago? Fucking chicken littles got nothing to do but root for harm to come to America for their own petty political gain. The dems bought their way out of it with trillions in spending. A reckoning is coming made exponentially worse by this administration!
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Post by osprey11 on Apr 11, 2024 12:52:41 GMT -5
Where's that recession so many were so sure would have arrived long ago? Fucking chicken littles got nothing to do but root for harm to come to America for their own petty political gain. Fuck you ya punk you wished fellow Americans dead! GD hypocrite
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Post by ferris1248 on Apr 11, 2024 12:55:33 GMT -5
Where's that recession so many were so sure would have arrived long ago? Fucking chicken littles got nothing to do but root for harm to come to America for their own petty political gain. Fuck you ya punk you wished fellow Americans dead! GD hypocrite Seems like this section is really getting out of hand.
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Post by cadman on Apr 11, 2024 13:00:16 GMT -5
All some people can so is call others names.
Discuss the issues. Insult the candidates, but calm down with the personal insults.
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Post by cadman on Apr 11, 2024 13:01:09 GMT -5
Fuck you ya punk you wished fellow Americans dead! GD hypocrite Seems like this section is really getting out of hand. I think it gets a lot worse before November.
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 11, 2024 13:25:31 GMT -5
There are a couple here that can’t get much worse. They can help but include their usual litany of insults with almost every post.
Says a lot about them and their hatred for others. All driven just because those posters think they deserve their petty scorn because they don’t believe the same lies they do.
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Post by osprey11 on Apr 11, 2024 13:27:01 GMT -5
All some people can so is call others names. Discuss the issues. Insult the candidates, but calm down with the personal insults. Maybe you should not have joked off what a mentally ill person said about Americans on this forum
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Post by cadman on Apr 11, 2024 13:43:22 GMT -5
All some people can so is call others names. Discuss the issues. Insult the candidates, but calm down with the personal insults. Maybe you should not have joked off what a mentally ill person said about Americans on this forum I joked about nothing. What are you babbling about now?
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 11, 2024 13:55:02 GMT -5
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Post by cadman on Apr 11, 2024 13:57:23 GMT -5
I love Goat. I need to buy some and cook it. Maybe some BBQ goat.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 11, 2024 13:59:53 GMT -5
I love Goat. I need to buy some and cook it. Maybe some BBQ goat. Can't say that I've ever had goat.
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