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Post by joekat46 on Aug 11, 2023 5:06:19 GMT -5
Anyone notice that several states are doing everything they can to price out or restrict non-res. Because of the money and politics involved I'm betting Florida will be the last to even consider such a move. It would be nice to at least have some sort of edge on the WMA quota hunts (not Special Op - do have one there). A non-res turkey tag/license (all I care about) can now easily approach $500 in many nearby southern states. No thank you. They win.
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Post by wayvis on Aug 11, 2023 9:30:41 GMT -5
This started when non-res hunters started leasing land and driving up the cost for local hunters. Just like everything else the price keeps going up. Too many people with too much money and no sense. As long as we hunters keep paying the price it will keep going up. The biggest factor is hunters asking for higher non-residents fees so they can have an edge on out of state hunters. As you I will not pay non-res fees, so I don't hunt out of state, and if I do I don't buy a license.
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Post by richm on Aug 11, 2023 12:37:34 GMT -5
I’ve done a little hunting out west and there is a lot of NR and Res competition.
Folks are pushing for wever restrictions on NR hunters.
It seems like where-ever we get some well made hunter videos, everyone goes aflocking.
The grass is greener on other side and in many cases, it is the only game in town. FL is only pkace for osceola turkeys.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Aug 12, 2023 8:53:59 GMT -5
This started when non-res hunters started leasing land and driving up the cost for local hunters. Just like everything else the price keeps going up. Too many people with too much money and no sense. As long as we hunters keep paying the price it will keep going up. The biggest factor is hunters asking for higher non-residents fees so they can have an edge on out of state hunters. As you I will not pay non-res fees, so I don't hunt out of state, and if I do I don't buy a license. |
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Post by Crkr 23 on Aug 12, 2023 9:03:02 GMT -5
I would be very careful with hunting out of state without proper license. Along with fines there maybe a suspension of hunting privileges which probably carry over to a suspension of privileges in Florida. Plus transportation of game over state lines illegally might get you a federal Lacey Act charge. That 400 or 500 hundred dollar license might look like a bargain at this point. Me, if I hunt, I'm buying the license.
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Post by joekat46 on Aug 12, 2023 10:03:44 GMT -5
I think some post are done for shock value. Hunting anyplace without the required license would be foolish. Over my years in Florida I have had out of state visitors that have hunted hog that don't or didn't require a license where we went. Any turkey hunting they bought a license as I did when hunting their state. Most states now have their 2024 turkey regs finalized. There are still a few places that are affordable. The problem will be they will draw more non-res because of this. My future as a non-res will be very selective.
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Post by meateater on Aug 14, 2023 9:04:26 GMT -5
florida should be charging 500.00 minimum . thats for a 3 day turkey license. public or private. outfitter or not 500.00 for a 3 day license. non residents are over crowding many of our non quota areas just about causing them to go quota only.
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Post by Stumpy on Aug 14, 2023 9:38:28 GMT -5
florida should be charging 500.00 minimum . thats for a 3 day turkey license. public or private. outfitter or not 500.00 for a 3 day license. non residents are over crowding many of our non quota areas just about causing them to go quota only. I agree, and stop issuing transferable special opportunity turkey permits, if you don't want the permit turn it in for the next person in line. Also limit the number applications on special opportunity turkey permits, its a lottery to sell the permit to non residents. |
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Post by richm on Aug 14, 2023 9:58:32 GMT -5
Yup - all permits should be non-transferrable. Keep the guest thing but lose the transfer.
Gotta be careful what we ask for with prices - once we start doing it, no excuse to complain about other state rates.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Aug 14, 2023 12:04:27 GMT -5
I believe 500 bucks per permit is to high. I do like idea of limiting NR permits to 10% of the total number of all issued permits.
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Post by joekat46 on Aug 14, 2023 17:49:58 GMT -5
At the very least the resident should have an edge on the Florida general quotas hunts. In a few years non-res will be priced out in many states. Watching other forums Al, MS, AR, and LA are leading the charge. Yes FL could easily have a Osceola turkey zone tag that 500.00 would seem cheap. The north of the Suwanee River eastern birds could be a cheaper tag. Nobody travels to Florida for an Eastern gobbler.
Add - the transferrable Special Op permit is the old gamers last stand. Draw one for Fisheating Creek East and see what it brings on some turkey forums. Guys willing to pay $2500 for a private land Osceola hunt. They will lay out a buck or two for a good transferrable S O permit.
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Post by pinman on Aug 14, 2023 17:54:05 GMT -5
florida should be charging 500.00 minimum . thats for a 3 day turkey license. public or private. outfitter or not 500.00 for a 3 day license. non residents are over crowding many of our non quota areas just about causing them to go quota only. I agree, and stop issuing transferable special opportunity turkey permits, if you don't want the permit turn it in for the next person in line. Also limit the number applications on special opportunity turkey permits, its a lottery to sell the permit to non residents. The next person in line part is pure genius....but there is no incentive unless the next person in line has to pay the fee and the original holder gets a refund. It makes sense but I couldnt see it happening very often. |
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Post by Stumpy on Aug 14, 2023 20:33:46 GMT -5
I agree, and stop issuing transferable special opportunity turkey permits, if you don't want the permit turn it in for the next person in line. Also limit the number applications on special opportunity turkey permits, its a lottery to sell the permit to non residents. The next person in line part is pure genius....but there is no incentive unless the next person in line has to pay the fee and the original holder gets a refund. It makes sense but I couldnt see it happening very often. This is the current system.......... Successful applicants will be notified of their drawing status with a deadline for purchasing the special-opportunity permit. If the selected applicant does not purchase the special-opportunity permit by the deadline, the FWC will offer the permit to an applicant "waiting in line" in the next round. |
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Post by richm on Aug 15, 2023 6:53:16 GMT -5
I believe 500 bucks per permit is to high. I do like idea of limiting NR permits to 10% of the total number of all issued permits. Seems to be a trend. Gonna come down to either you live there or pretty much you can't hunt there - areas worth hunting, of course. And now, even our state is getting excited over NR hunters for 3-day Osceola turkey permits - nothing else here is worth a NR trip. Imagine if we had better hunting for other stuff? Seems like most of the guys who want it do not hunt elsewhere. |
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Post by meateater on Aug 15, 2023 10:30:48 GMT -5
nobody is rushing out to hunt easterns in any state so it will always be cheap in most states, merriams and rio,s also have tons of hunting opportunities, its only florida that gets overrun by outa state hunters during spring turkey. season starts before most states and of course guys want a osceola. last season i was called by 2 guys, 1 had 1 day left on a triple n ranch permit, he wanted 500.00 other guy had 2 days left and wanted 900.00. i turned both down but 100% they both got sold. 500.00 for a 3 day license, if you want the greatest turkeys with golden spurs that poop diamonds your gonna have to pay. otherwise turkey will become like deer season , residents waiting 3 to 5 years just to go hunting on our public lands.
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Post by bridgeman213 on Aug 26, 2023 12:18:47 GMT -5
Lotta cash gets spent by turkey hunting buffs looking to complete grand slams, 500.00 seems a lot and unacceptable to the average hunter. There will be a good number that will gladly pay for the chance to fill part of their slam in Florida. Personally I wouldn't spend .05 cents because I lost interest in chasing the birds years ago. Easterns were plentiful in PA and I took plenty once I figured out how to hunt em.
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Post by joekat46 on Aug 26, 2023 19:33:48 GMT -5
Just returned from a visit to Mississippi where I picked up their latest Outdoor Digest. Besides the obvious high non-res fees to hunt turkey they now ban any non-res for the first two weeks of their six week turkey season on any public land.. This includes National Forest or now sorta national forest. On the plus side they are implementing physical tags in addition to the current mandatory call in for ALL 🦃 hunters in 2025. This includes their exempts. Florida should consider doing both IMO.
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Post by pinman on Aug 26, 2023 19:45:07 GMT -5
I might head up to NC in October and was looking at their hunting license fees for non-res. They charge different amounts according to which state you are coming from;
State Hunting 10-Day: Statewide hunting for nonresidents during the 10 day period specified on the license. License includes hunting on game lands. It does not include big game hunting, the state waterfowl privilege, or the federal duck stamp.
N/A
$80
Residents of Georgia*
$60
Residents of South Carolina*
$75
Residents of Tennessee*
$70
Residents of Virginia*
$110
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Post by joekat46 on Aug 26, 2023 19:52:28 GMT -5
Those that push for reciprocal fees often get surprised and the reciprocal $$$ can get almost funny and turn into a pissing match. Surprised we in Florida haven't had a reciprocal "war" with Georgia. On some national turkey forums often see GA guys whining about late season Florida hunters on "their" public lands as well as FL guys whining about early season GA guys in areas such as Big Cypress. Just the way it is. I only follow turkey but I'm sure deer hunters experience the same thing going state to state. At least Florida isn't considered a deer mecca. The Osceola turkey is the big draw here and will continue to be with so many suffering from Grand Slam fever. Floridians can be proud to know that any out of state non-res shopping the hunter broker sites for a guided hunt on Florida private land will pay around $1800 to $2500 for that Osceola. No wonder all the public romp and stomps get overrun during the first few days of the turkey seasons. Hunting out of state is becoming a very expensive adventure.
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Post by One Man Gang on Aug 27, 2023 8:14:55 GMT -5
Wow, talk about dividing people against people... the individual states are becoming as bad as the Federal government.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Aug 27, 2023 8:25:19 GMT -5
I remember back in the 80's someone from Kansas could not buy a NR license in Alabama. Alabama had a reciprocal licensing system and Kansas did not allow NR hunting.
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Post by joekat46 on Aug 27, 2023 9:52:32 GMT -5
There is a lot of non-res shenanigans going on with duck hunting also in some states. Don't follow that too closely but do read the post. This may get to the point that when the non-res money dries up the resident will need to kick in some $$$ and the whining will continue. Another slippery slope in the slippery slope era.
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Post by pinman on Aug 27, 2023 19:55:22 GMT -5
There is a lot of non-res shenanigans going on with duck hunting also in some states. Don't follow that too closely but do read the post. This may get to the point that when the non-res money dries up the resident will need to kick in some $$$ and the whining will continue. Another slippery slope in the slippery slope era. Maaaannnn.....I hate the "Slippery Slope". Means someone is changing something that they think will improve things but the law of unintended consequences is gonna catch up..... Going down the "Slippery slope" usually ends up with everyone losing out on something. |
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Post by joekat46 on Aug 28, 2023 3:15:53 GMT -5
Some state or another is or was proposing limiting non-res waterfowl hunters to a few days a week. That should result in more resident vs non-res resentment especially if federal land is involved. Be interesting to know how many places rely on non-res dollars that will quickly dry up the way things are trending.
Dug through some old post on another forum. Guy claims Kansas is proposing limiting non-res duck hunters to Tues - Thurs only. No further info. May want to check any state for new non-res restrictions before planning a trip. It seems most of these new restrictions are aimed at border jumpers that often easily hunted multiple states. I recall when living in western KY I was within minutes of both IL and TN and could have hunted either on a day trip. Times are quickly changing.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Aug 28, 2023 7:22:47 GMT -5
IMO, states that restrict NR sportsmen from hunting or fishing there should have to forfeit a portion of their Pittman-Roberson federal funds.
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Post by One Man Gang on Aug 28, 2023 7:27:28 GMT -5
IMO, states that restrict NR sportsmen from hunting or fishing there should have to forfeit a portion of their Pittman-Roberson federal funds. Good point |
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Post by meateater on Aug 28, 2023 9:57:12 GMT -5
listen up you bunch of turd burglars,,, theres no way the true osceola turkey population can withstand the pressure it gets year after year so before resident hunters get screwed something should be done and slowing down the number of outa state hunters is a start, by limiting quotas to outa staters or higher fee,s its gotta be done. some of you ding dongs just dont get it only when every wma is limited quota only for turkey hunting and you get a permit every 3 to 5 years maybe then you will change your tune, when its too late.
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Post by One Man Gang on Aug 28, 2023 11:13:21 GMT -5
I definitely don't disagree Meat. They give a stupid ass alligator more consideration than everything else we hunt in this state.
There never has been much parity with non residents hunting here in Florida compared to us hunting there... New York actually has a pretty good deal for non rez hunting, but everything else sucks. The Midwest treats their deer like golden egg laying geese. I pretty much gave up on it years ago. Forget western big game hunting. They have a pile of bullshit to wade through now. All the while, FL continues to whore itself out to cheap fishing and hunting to anyone willing to drive.
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Post by joekat46 on Aug 28, 2023 11:45:42 GMT -5
No state treats the non-res better than Florida. If I can't hunt the first two weeks of Mississippi's turkey season no MS license tags should be seen in Big Cypress or any romp and stomp until at least June. Lol.
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Post by meateater on Aug 29, 2023 10:24:27 GMT -5
No state treats the non-res better than Florida. If I can't hunt the first two weeks of Mississippi's turkey season no MS license tags should be seen in Big Cypress or any romp and stomp until at least June. Lol. if something isnt done all of big cypress, corbett and three lakes all will be quota only in next 3 years, mostly caused by outa state hunters wanting that prized osceola , whipteedoo its a freaking turkey ive killed them all and they all taste the same. |
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