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Post by Tarponator on Jul 15, 2024 18:38:26 GMT -5
Among other things...
He has a few choice quotes about Trump before he went full MAGA. I've changed my mind on a great number of things over the years, mostly moving left, but some to the right........those labels being of tenuous value....so I'd be more concerned by a man who had not changed a opinion over time. A lack of change in understanding is a sign of ossification....... Me too, but we're not talking about an issue. We're talking about the character of another -- one who hasn't changed during the period of time in question.
And, I'm sure, his change of heart had nothing to do with his thirst for power instead of some epiphany that he was wrong.
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Post by cyclist on Jul 15, 2024 18:45:40 GMT -5
He lied ....and is now a trump traitor boot licking cultist. The liar ticket i suppose. Either that or a guy who wants to be President. Another narcissist for president...
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Post by cyclist on Jul 15, 2024 18:47:45 GMT -5
So Trump now has a VP selection. Watch the scumbag left’s character assassination juggernaut begin. The scumbag assassinated his own character by being a women controlling white bro who sucked up to a man he despises. No abortion or birth control...WTF?
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Post by resinhead on Jul 15, 2024 18:49:25 GMT -5
The fact that crazy Pete hates this guy is the reinforcement I need to vote for him.
Thanks, crazy Pete
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Post by bswiv on Jul 15, 2024 18:58:29 GMT -5
I've changed my mind on a great number of things over the years, mostly moving left, but some to the right........those labels being of tenuous value....so I'd be more concerned by a man who had not changed a opinion over time. A lack of change in understanding is a sign of ossification....... Me too, but we're not talking about an issue. We're talking about the character of another -- one who hasn't changed during the period of time in question.
And, I'm sure, his change of heart had nothing to do with his thirst for power instead of some epiphany that he was wrong.
I'm not able to read minds so all I can do is go on what manifests itself and balance that off of what I've experienced. And as when I've changed my mind because of a better understanding of the issue or because of the clear reasoning of someone who convinces me to change I do so with good will. That being so......I am a bit reticent to ascribe venial and corrupt motives to others who have changed their minds. Not so sure I want my growth and enlightenment which result in changed views and positions to be cast in the way you cast those of others. Have you never changed your mind on a important issue? Did you do it out of sincerity? I'd venture the answer is yes to both.....that being the reason most of us alter these sorts of things. Not so sure it is proper to ascribe different motives to those who seek public office without solid proof. I know......one of the dictums of politics is to NEVER allow that those who you oppose may be of good character and possessed of positive intentions......but.....unless they are somehow less human than the rest of us that is a incorrect way to think. And as a next logical step, assuming you do believe they are less human than the rest of us, why in the world would you allow them more than the absolute minimum of power over the lives of your fellow humans? Though.......maybe it's only those we disagree with who possess the negative characteristics while those we agree with are pure and admirable......
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Post by Tarponator on Jul 15, 2024 19:02:30 GMT -5
Yes, of course I have and it was sincere, but, again, we're not talking about an issue.
You'll have to pardon me if I question the sincerity of a politician seeking office who went from comparing him to Hitler (you know, the same comparison used by others to attempt to construct motive for the attempted assassination) to becoming his running mate.
Perhaps assholes are just assholes and political power is a very strong motivator to change one's position.
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Post by resinhead on Jul 15, 2024 19:33:48 GMT -5
If anyone knows assholes, it’s you.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Jul 15, 2024 19:35:01 GMT -5
i really thought it was gonna be stinky nikki haleys war loving cottage cheese ass, guess i was wrong , hard to believe it i know. Pics of cottage cheese ass?
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 15, 2024 19:52:41 GMT -5
Well this should help lock up the uneducated white male gun humper What is your education? You and others on here seem to think you are smarter than republicans. JD Vance is a OSU and Yale grad. Republicans have 2 Ivy league graduates on the ticket. How does your education match up? What about Biden / Harris? I’m not sure how I feel about Vance. But uneducated he ain’t. Yale law school grad. Editor of their law review. Then became a best selling author and businessman. U.S. Senator before he’s 40. He’s a smart man. Also a warrior. Iraq War vet. I’m more concerned about his sincerity. Its not impossible that he has ideologically and personally grown towards Trump just as people like me have gravitated away from him. But I’m concerned about him possibly being a political chameleon that changed his colors when he saw the way the GOP was coming under Trump’s control. A cynically fake MAGA is more dangerous than a sincere one. A Right-wing idealist who’s doing it for the cause will have rules and lines he or she won’t break or cross for conscience’s sake and fidelity to an ideology. A cynical fake will use the rhetoric for power. Power is a means to an end for the ideologue, while power is the end and ideology is the means for the cynic. I’m not decided what I think H.D. Vance is yet; an idealist or a cynic. But he’s young, intelligent, and talented. Better watch out. Trump’s not the one that has much of a potential to become an American Hitler….
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 15, 2024 19:52:43 GMT -5
Me too, but we're not talking about an issue. We're talking about the character of another -- one who hasn't changed during the period of time in question.
And, I'm sure, his change of heart had nothing to do with his thirst for power instead of some epiphany that he was wrong.
I'm not able to read minds so all I can do is go on what manifests itself and balance that off of what I've experienced. And as when I've changed my mind because of a better understanding of the issue or because of the clear reasoning of someone who convinces me to change I do so with good will. That being so......I am a bit reticent to ascribe venial and corrupt motives to others who have changed their minds. Not so sure I want my growth and enlightenment which result in changed views and positions to be cast in the way you cast those of others. Have you never changed your mind on a important issue? Did you do it out of sincerity? I'd venture the answer is yes to both.....that being the reason most of us alter these sorts of things. Not so sure it is proper to ascribe different motives to those who seek public office without solid proof. I know......one of the dictums of politics is to NEVER allow that those who you oppose may be of good character and possessed of positive intentions......but.....unless they are somehow less human than the rest of us that is a incorrect way to think. And as a next logical step, assuming you do believe they are less human than the rest of us, why in the world would you allow them more than the absolute minimum of power over the lives of your fellow humans? Though.......maybe it's only those we disagree with who possess the negative characteristics while those we agree with are pure and admirable...... So a guys that changes his mind on the comparison to Hitler he had made is qualified to be VP?
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 15, 2024 20:53:11 GMT -5
Kamala Harris called Biden a racist. All these fuckers lie and kiss ass for power.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 15, 2024 20:56:15 GMT -5
Kamala Harris called Biden a racist. All these fuckers lie and kiss ass for power. Perhaps, though I have to admit it's nice to see Little Marco eat a shit burger after all the ass kissing he did.
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 15, 2024 21:06:09 GMT -5
What Trump has shown is even if they betray him , if they can further his agenda he will bring them back into the fold.
Marco Rubio Ted Cruz Lindsey Gram Kevin Macarthy Rhonda Santas Mitch McConell J D Vance Vivek
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 15, 2024 21:08:33 GMT -5
What Trump has shown is even if they betray him , if they can further his agenda he will bring them back into the fold. Marco Rubio Ted Cruz Lindsey Gram Kevin Macarthy Rhonda Santas Mitch McConell J D Vance Vivek Trump's sausage fest
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Post by pinman on Jul 15, 2024 22:42:26 GMT -5
Kamala Harris called Biden a racist. All these fuckers lie and kiss ass for power. Yep. Was gonna mention this. But in her defense she kind of implied he was a racist in the primary debate.
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