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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 24, 2024 18:08:56 GMT -5
A couple cases of PBR and a afternoon of bear watching sounds pretty good right now in my HO. You have an open invitation my friend... I will even buy the PBR
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Post by walkerdog on Jun 24, 2024 18:50:00 GMT -5
No objection to that at all. But how many encounters are really dangerous or are they just perceived to be dangerous by city boys? Or are they turned into dangerous situations by the ignorance of the city boys? I see comments here all the time by country boys who say "A bear came across the yard this evening. He went on down into the woods." vs a city boy saying "A bear came across my yard this evening and I beat pots and pans to run him off 'cause he was threat to my family". Country guys who know better than to leave food or garbage out vs a city boy who thinks he ought be able to leave his trash wherever he wants. City boys who whip out their dawg leg at first sight vs a country boy who pops another PBR and watches the bear amble off into the sunset. You have a valid point there. Black bear attacks are very rare. So are grizzly bear attacks and polar bear attacks. But they do happen. And you’d be a fool to not be on your guard in their country. Attacks seldom go well for the victim. More fatal black bear attacks happen than all other bear species attacks. Of course there are more people in black bear country than in the others. JB can play Timothy Treadwell all he wants to. I’d rather use common sense and avoid the chance for a confrontation.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 24, 2024 19:03:55 GMT -5
I’m not gonna get into the arguments going on here but if I, or a family member including a dog is in danger I will shoot a bear and deal with the consequences later. No different than a human or any other predator that is a danger to life. No objection to that at all. But how many encounters are really dangerous or are they just perceived to be dangerous by city boys? Or are they turned into dangerous situations by the ignorance of the city boys? I see comments here all the time by country boys who say "A bear came across the yard this evening. He went on down into the woods." vs a city boy saying "A bear came across my yard this evening and I beat pots and pans to run him off 'cause he was threat to my family". Country guys who know better than to leave food or garbage out vs a city boy who thinks he ought be able to leave his trash wherever he wants. City boys who whip out their dawg leg at first sight vs a country boy who pops another PBR and watches the bear amble off into the sunset. Most encounters are harmless.... This law is going to only cause harm..... You are going to have fools, yankees and wanna be badasses banging away at the first bear that crosses their property line... They are going to be flinging rounds from all sorts of things.... I was thinking AR's but the most ridiculous thing I have seen is that someone actually has a .50 caliber S&W for black bears....They are more likely going to shoot a neighbor or a neighbor's stuff..... And if they actually hit the bear.... They are likely going to wound it.... Then that bear becomes are real problem for the people that now have to deal with the wounded bear.... Because of some nimrods imaginary fears....And I have to say this again.... Apparently some folks feel the need to tote a freaking SW .500 to feel safe from black bears.... And I make direct fun of the bird watchers in Coastal NC for carrying Bear Spray.... Anyone that feels the need to carry a .500 because of Black bears, needs to stay their ass in a Starbucks.
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Post by TRTerror on Jun 24, 2024 19:07:34 GMT -5
YEA... I don't mess with them or Stalk them. I roll down the window and pop them in the ass with my 10/ 22 just to keep the fear in them. I've had several ..Problem Bears with ear tags relocated to my Hood from the City. Had them at no more than 6 or 6 feet while they dug thru my garbage cans. No fear in them at all. After a few times I just kept the garbage cans locked in my shop..all gone. Now you see them bears on TV climbing into somebody's window or smashing down their front door. No need to call FWC if that happens to me..I'll handle it quick.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 24, 2024 19:15:40 GMT -5
Yeah, a little prudence goes a long way here.
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Post by garycoleco on Jun 24, 2024 19:17:02 GMT -5
You have a valid point there. Black bear attacks are very rare. So are grizzly bear attacks and polar bear attacks. [br Late last summer I went fishing in northern Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana. We saw 17 Griz. 4 had cubs. Those fuckers are menacing.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 24, 2024 19:22:05 GMT -5
We hunt a small piece of property that borders the ONF. No lack of bears, bunch of them have probably been relocated. We will get the soybean feeders and cameras going here in a couple weeks. No doubt we will get mostly bear pics.
But once we start hunting it in archery and getting our scent out there , the bears move on. Probably see one or two in the stand every year if the wind is right. As soon as you stand up in the stand they haul ass. 400lb bear sprinting through 8ft Gaul berries and palmettos makes one hell of a racket.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 24, 2024 19:23:37 GMT -5
So are grizzly bear attacks and polar bear attacks. [br Late last summer I went fishing in northern Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana. We saw 17 Griz. 4 had cubs. Those fuckers are menacing. Were you on a boat? Catch anything?
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 24, 2024 19:25:06 GMT -5
I was surprised to read that the FWC now allows for bear to be harassed with paintball guns and pepper spray. That used to be considered a form of “take.”
Black bears do attack up to around 20 people a year in the US. When they do attack, its usually predatory attacks instead of territorial attacks (as is often the case with grizzlies). That’s why playing dead doesn’t work with a black bear. If it think’s you’re dead, the next step is to start eating you.
They are mostly docile towards humans. But in a given population you’re going to have a spread of personalities. If 5% of black bears in North America have personalities that trend towards predation on humans, you’re talking about 40,000 bears. I would presume nothing on one.
Pets are another matter. I can’t find the number at the moment, but I once read that bear attacks on pets and livestock are common in Florida.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 24, 2024 19:32:38 GMT -5
You have a valid point there. Black bear attacks are very rare. So are grizzly bear attacks and polar bear attacks. But they do happen. And you’d be a fool to not be on your guard in their country. Attacks seldom go well for the victim. More fatal black bear attacks happen than all other bear species attacks. Of course there are more people in black bear country than in the others. JB can play Timothy Treadwell all he wants to. I’d rather use common sense and avoid the chance for a confrontation.
I was waiting for someone to bring up Timothy Treadwell..... So Thank you... But I never dreamed it would be you...
Treadwell was a dumb ass...... He sought direct confrontation with grizzly bears..... And he made his camp right on a very clear bear trail.... And he insisted on staying
at his camp even though everyone with common sense tried to tell him to get out.... He insisted on staying after all the well fed bears had already gone to their dens for the winter.... And some new bears came into the area he was camping.... They were subdominant bears that were literally starving... They could not feed in the area of his camp because the dominant bears did not allow them to feed there.... But now the dominant bears went to den. and the bears that were starving and looking for any extra calories to hopefully survive the winter... These new bears were not used to him hanging around... Like the well fed bears were... And these new bears were looking for any calories they could find... Because their chances or surviving the winter were not all that good.... Treadwell and his girlfriend became some extra calories for bears in starvation mode...
I am not a dumbass.... And I avoid confrontation at all costs... I will quickly back off if I see a potential confrontation...... Grizzlies and Black bears are very different animals.. About the only similarity is that they are both bears.... Beyond that... They are about as similar as cats and dogs....
And I have made a few mistakes... But black bears do not want to fight a person.... Just like I avoid confrontation... So do black bears.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 24, 2024 19:37:10 GMT -5
I was surprised to read that the FWC now allows for bear to be harassed with paintball guns and pepper spray. That used to be considered a form of “take.” Black bears do attack up to around 20 people a year in the US. When they do attack, its usually predatory attacks instead of territorial attacks (as is often the case with grizzlies). That’s why playing dead doesn’t work with a black bear. If it think’s you’re dead, the next step is to start eating you. They are mostly docile towards humans. But in a given population you’re going to have a spread of personalities. If 5% of black bears in North America have personalities that trend towards predation on humans, you’re talking about 40,000 bears. I would presume nothing on one. Pets are another matter. I can’t find the number at the moment, but I once read that bear attacks on pets and livestock are common in Florida. Bullfrog... I know you live in bear country.... You have livestock.... Have you ever had bear issues?
I am pretty sure you don't.... And I am pretty sure I know why...
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 24, 2024 19:42:02 GMT -5
I was surprised to read that the FWC now allows for bear to be harassed with paintball guns and pepper spray. That used to be considered a form of “take.” Black bears do attack up to around 20 people a year in the US. When they do attack, its usually predatory attacks instead of territorial attacks (as is often the case with grizzlies). That’s why playing dead doesn’t work with a black bear. If it think’s you’re dead, the next step is to start eating you. They are mostly docile towards humans. But in a given population you’re going to have a spread of personalities. If 5% of black bears in North America have personalities that trend towards predation on humans, you’re talking about 40,000 bears. I would presume nothing on one. Pets are another matter. I can’t find the number at the moment, but I once read that bear attacks on pets and livestock are common in Florida. Bullfrog... I know you live in bear country.... You have livestock.... Have you ever had bear issues?
I am pretty sure you don't.... And I am pretty sure I know why...
Nope. Electric fence and free range dogs. A bear has raided a coop twice (or an animal I presume was a bear that pulled the top off the coop like a sardine can). But only on rainy nights when it can come in down wind of the dogs. It never could catch a chicken doing that. But it tried.
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Post by garycoleco on Jun 24, 2024 19:56:11 GMT -5
Late last summer I went fishing in northern Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana. We saw 17 Griz. 4 had cubs. Those fuckers are menacing. Were you on a boat? Catch anything? I'm old school. Wading in tennis shoes. We did pretty good. It was great family time. 2200 miles in 11 days. Pikes peak to Estes Park to RNP (1 huge humpback boar) to Shonshone (shit tons of griz) to Grand Teton to Yellowstone (shit tons) again)
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 24, 2024 20:30:21 GMT -5
Bullfrog... I know you live in bear country.... You have livestock.... Have you ever had bear issues?
I am pretty sure you don't.... And I am pretty sure I know why...
Nope. Electric fence and free range dogs. A bear has raided a coop twice (or an animal I presume was a bear that pulled the top off the coop like a sardine can). But only on rainy nights when it can come in down wind of the dogs. It never could catch a chicken doing that. But it tried.
I did not know about the electric fence.... But I have seen where bears wade through an electric fence and don't care,,,,
But I knew why.... you have Serious dogs.... Real (serious) dogs scare the shit out of bears... And not just black bears.... Dogs are used to haze Grizzly bears out of communities as well....
A good dog is FASTER, QUICKER and SMARTER than a bear.... And bears avoid dogs at all costs...
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 24, 2024 20:38:38 GMT -5
Nope. Electric fence and free range dogs. A bear has raided a coop twice (or an animal I presume was a bear that pulled the top off the coop like a sardine can). But only on rainy nights when it can come in down wind of the dogs. It never could catch a chicken doing that. But it tried.
I did not know about the electric fence.... But I have seen where bears wade through an electric fence and don't care,,,,
But I knew why.... you have Serious dogs.... Real (serious) dogs scare the shit out of bears... And not just black bears.... Dogs are used to haze Grizzly bears out of communities as well....
A good dog is FASTER, QUICKER and SMARTER than a bear.... And bears avoid dogs at all costs...
Absolutely. Up in Georgia where we used to keep a lease, the surrounding clubs ran dogs as often as they could and were happy to just tree a bear then let it go. When we moved into camp there were Duncan donuts in the camp garbage. During the week the camp sat empty. Bear wouldn’t dare come into camp and bother the garbage. We kept our feeders on flimsy little tripods. Bear still wouldn’t touch them. Bear didn’t want anything to do with human scent, and I believe that’s because they associated it with the dogs that were always running then. Dog hunting has never been my thing. But I’d strongly support running bear with dogs year-round and allowing only a limited seasonal take, controlled by a small window and tags issued by drawing. A lot of people will enjoy the chase and I think its the chase that keeps the bears hazed. Very few would actually have to be harvested I imagine.
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