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Post by slough on Jun 24, 2024 10:56:31 GMT -5
Are hogs open season year round? Hogs on private property in FL can be harvested year round. Same in Ga and also at night
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 24, 2024 12:21:21 GMT -5
I just looked at the new law again. The last subsection says “the commission shall adopt rules to implement this section.”
Based on that alone, the FWC has to challenge it. The Legislative branch has no authority to tell the FWC what rules is shall or or shall not implement. Even if the FWC likes the result because it will help open the door to a bear hunt in a purely political sense, they’re obligated to challenge it on principle of separation of powers.
The FWC is in fact Florida’s fourth branch of government.
They may play it quiet and let the Sierra Club and others fight the battle for them so as to not offend the Legislature. But that’s a bad look.
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Post by slough on Jun 24, 2024 12:46:35 GMT -5
Remember, FWC's budget comes through the legislature and Gov's desk. In the end, everyone will look good. Dill done been done.
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Post by mackeralsnatcher on Jun 24, 2024 13:02:52 GMT -5
Excellent point.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 24, 2024 13:12:55 GMT -5
Remember, FWC's budget comes through the legislature and Gov's desk. In the end, everyone will look good. Dill done been done. Probably so. But its still a very bad idea for the FWC to handle it this way. It won’t save the FWC from the ire of anti-hunters and sets a precedence for them ceding their constitutional authority to a different branch of government. For no reason, because few bears will be justifiably killed under this section. Its a sign of weakness to handle the issue in this manner. They’re afraid of the executive and legislature on one hand, and anti-hunters on the other. In my grandfather’s era, they would have threw down on everyone, and won.
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Post by garycoleco on Jun 24, 2024 14:10:58 GMT -5
Hogs on private property in FL can be harvested year round. Same in Ga and also at night And coyotes
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Post by slough on Jun 24, 2024 14:11:17 GMT -5
Remember, FWC's budget comes through the legislature and Gov's desk. In the end, everyone will look good. Dill done been done. Probably so. But its still a very bad idea for the FWC to handle it this way. It won’t save the FWC from the ire of anti-hunters and sets a precedence for them ceding their constitutional authority to a different branch of government. For no reason, because few bears will be justifiably killed under this section. Its a sign of weakness to handle the issue in this manner. They’re afraid of the executive and legislature on one hand, and anti-hunters on the other. In my grandfather’s era, they would have threw down on everyone, and won. They can throw all the blame from the anti-hunters towards the legislature. They come out smelling rosey.
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Post by conchydong on Jun 24, 2024 14:19:08 GMT -5
I’m not gonna get into the arguments going on here but if I, or a family member including a dog is in danger I will shoot a bear and deal with the consequences later. No different than a human or any other predator that is a danger to life.
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Post by ferris1248 on Jun 24, 2024 14:35:04 GMT -5
I’m not gonna get into the arguments going on here but if I, or a family member including a dog is in danger I will shoot a bear and deal with the consequences later. No different than a human or any other predator that is a danger to life. No objection to that at all. But how many encounters are really dangerous or are they just perceived to be dangerous by city boys? Or are they turned into dangerous situations by the ignorance of the city boys? I see comments here all the time by country boys who say "A bear came across the yard this evening. He went on down into the woods." vs a city boy saying "A bear came across my yard this evening and I beat pots and pans to run him off 'cause he was threat to my family". Country guys who know better than to leave food or garbage out vs a city boy who thinks he ought be able to leave his trash wherever he wants. City boys who whip out their dawg leg at first sight vs a country boy who pops another PBR and watches the bear amble off into the sunset.
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Post by conchydong on Jun 24, 2024 14:36:46 GMT -5
I’m not gonna get into the arguments going on here but if I, or a family member including a dog is in danger I will shoot a bear and deal with the consequences later. No different than a human or any other predator that is a danger to life. No objection to that at all. But how many encounters are really dangerous or are they just perceived to be dangerous by city boys? Or are they turned into dangerous situations by the ignorance of the city boys? I see comments here all the time by country boys who say "A bear came across the yard this evening. He went on down into the woods." vs a city boy saying "A bear came across my yard this evening and I beat pots and pans to run him off 'cause he was threat to my family". Country guys who know better than to leave food or garbage out vs a city boy who thinks he ought be able to leave his trash wherever he wants. City boys who whip out their dawg leg at first sight vs a country boy who pops another PBR and watches the bear amble off into the sunset. You have a valid point there. Black bear attacks are very rare.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 24, 2024 15:11:01 GMT -5
Sharks , gators, Jack russels….. way bigger concern than a bear. And if a bear is mauling my dogs I’m with Conchy on this one.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 24, 2024 17:21:13 GMT -5
By the way, when we were banging the pots and pans together we had two family members trapped in the water and a bear in between them and the house. We should have asked the bear to let them go past to just go in the house? You talk shit about me but you are the person who has become a complete asshole.
Going back to this one..... So you had family members in the water.... Bear came in between the family members in the water and the house..... So y'all come out of the house banging pots and pans....
If what I am picturing via your words happened.... you basically surrounded the bear....... How did you expect the bear to react when you did not give it an out.....
Black bears are not even what I would call predators...... 80 percent of their diet is plant material... Seeds, berries, grasses, nuts, fruits, ACORNS, Palmetto Berries etc..... About 15 percent of their diet is insects, grubs, worms etc... Wasps... And a bear is your best friend if you have a yellow jacket nest.... They love those things.... They will dig out a yellow jacket nest to get to the larvae... And they don't give a fuck about getting stung.... Only about 5 percent of their diet is actually meat... And most of that is in the form of dead animals they find or steal from other critters....
People are not on the menu........ They can be curious about people... Most black bear attacks are due to human error.... Fed Bears, people being dumb...... Making the bear feel trapped, etc....
I get close to a LOT of bears. Even suburban bears.... I follow some very simple rules.... I try not to surprise the bear..... I want them to know I am there.... I do not get between bears and their obvious escape route.... IF I see a bear in the open with heavy cover nearby.... I approach the bear via the open ground.... I do not put myself between them and their perceived escape route....... And I often make noise to encourage them to come closer.... Their eyesight is not great....But their sense of smell and hearing is better than any dogs..... They know I am there.... And when I do get close to a bear... I avoid looking it directly in the eye.... Humans look and most of us (unless you are a vegetarian) smell like predators... So do not act like you are looking for a fight...... This works on big bears, small bears, sows with cubs, etc.....
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 24, 2024 17:24:56 GMT -5
A couple cases of PBR and a afternoon of bear watching sounds pretty good right now in my HO.
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Post by misterjr on Jun 24, 2024 17:32:59 GMT -5
When I was a young boy growing up in KY, my family went to Gatlinburg twice to see the bears. No one in the family was attached or eaten.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 24, 2024 17:34:22 GMT -5
A mama bear with 3 cubs killed a friends dog over the weekend. The cubs climbed on his balcony after some trash and his dogs were inside and heard the commotion and they started barking. One of the dogs ran out a doggie door and ran downstairs after the bears. The cubs along with mama had climbed a tree by this time but when the dog ran to the tree barking the mama came down the tree and killed the dog. They know the bears are there and they do all of the stuff that they can to limit their interaction with them. They had just gotten home with groceries and left the balcony gate open by mistake that allowed the dog to go downstairs and they had set their trash bag out on the balcony just temporarily until they could take it down and lock it in the "trash storage". It all happened within 10 minutes of them getting home. This is in Lanark Village and the bears are a nuisance especially in the old part of town where the "barracks" housing is. Lots of people leave trash out and that just invites the bears. My friends are really torn up over their little dog, they are blaming themselves for their letting her get out. They don't blame the bears at all and knowing my friend like I do, I doubt he would have shot the mama bear even if he could have. He would not have wanted the cubs to be without a mama. Sorry your friends dog was killed.... Bears generally avoid dogs.... When I first started getting serious about photographing bears, I used to take my Cattle Dog Merlin with me I had to stop taking him.... Because as soon as bears smelled, heard or saw him they took off....
A small dog and a momma with cubs is a bad combination.... Although I would be surprised to hear a bear killing a feisty game Terrier....
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