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Post by bullfrog on Jun 23, 2024 14:25:03 GMT -5
Just a question? Instead of a “hunt” why not allow shooting bears that invade populated areas? Two things will be accomplished. The bear population will be diminished as desired and problematic bears that have overcome their fear of humans will be the bears that are eliminated. I watched as a sow led her cubs into a residential area at dusk one day. With the habitual “residential raiders” eliminated they would not be teaching their cubs this behavior. Just seems like the bears should be undisturbed in the wild but the bears that raided should be the only ones eliminated. That’s something the FWC can do and sometimes does. It wouldn’t be up to the citizenry for shooting a bear that goes into town. Sustained hunting is the only practical way to make them avoid people. The loss of fear of man comes first. Walking into town is just a symptom of it.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 23, 2024 15:05:06 GMT -5
Let me start out by stating that I am PRO bear hunt....
But this law is a terrible idea..... .
And I will state clear reasons why.
1) as BullFrog stated..... It violates the State Constitution.... And it does not matter if the FWC pushes back.. They have no reason to do so.... But assorted wildlife protection groups, both National and state level, are going to fight this in the courts with everything they have.... There are no less than four groups that exist entirely to protect Florida Black Bears.... And all of these groups have been planning strategy and raising money since the bill was introduced..... I am on a bunch of wildlife photography sites.... And they have been raising money for Months...... They have millions and millions. And they are going to fight this in court. Lawsuits challenging the law are going to come from all directions. And they already know the law violates the state constitution...
2) The law is poorly written... Especially when it comes to the part about placing "food" to attract bears...... What constitutes placing food? Frankly if you live in a bear area and leave any sort of food outside.....You are placing food for bears.... Have a bird feeder, leave food out for outside cats... leave food out for livestock? Frankly that could be construed as placing bait for bears..... And if the law is enacted..... The first folks that shoot a bear under this law if it ever goes into effect can expect to have lawsuits filed against them contesting whether they attracted a bear with food....
3) The law does nothing to address... "trespass via projectile" laws.... Most folks that are going to have bear conflicts and MAY attempt to take out a bear under this law are going to be small property and suburban residents... How do you fire a weapon that will effectively kill a bear in a suburban or small property setting and guarantee your projectile does not cross your property line? By the way... Trespass via projectile is a felony. refer to Florida Statute 810.09....
4) I have never dropped a bear... But they are not an easy animal to drop in their tracks..... Especially for someone that does not hunt regularly, is not very familiar with the anatomy of a bear, and shoots a lot..... So what happens when you hit a bear on your property and it runs off? Are you going to track this bear onto neighboring properties? That creates a trespass with a firearm situation.... Also a potential felony..... Or you let it run off and become someone else's problem? IF you think a bear that will come up a house to feed is dangerous is dangerous..... What about a wounded bear?
This law creates more danger....
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jun 23, 2024 15:17:51 GMT -5
All I know is I keep a 500 magnum revolver in my truck when I am in Florida. The next bear that threatens my family will feel its wrath. I had family members that were picking up shrimp at low tide chased out into deep water by a bear. Banging pots and pans didn’t phase it. The 500 mag may have gotten its attention better. It was scary when it happened. Don’t want it again. Also had one come up about 15 stairs right up to the glass door.
We have an exceptional bear problem.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 23, 2024 16:11:42 GMT -5
All I know is I keep a 500 magnum revolver in my truck when I am in Florida. The next bear that threatens my family will feel its wrath. I had family members that were picking up shrimp at low tide chased out into deep water by a bear. Banging pots and pans didn’t phase it. The 500 mag may have gotten its attention better. It was scary when it happened. Don’t want it again. Also had one come up about 15 stairs right up to the glass door. We have an exceptional bear problem.Florida does not have a bear problem.... (we do have enough bears to sustain a legal recreational harvest) I am sorry.... if all you know is that you carry a 500 mag when in Florida because of bears.... you do not know anything about Black bears and are reacting to fear and non existent threats. And I assume you have a place in the panhandle...You bought a home in bear country... And now declare you have a bear problem... You moved into their territory... I go out there... Specifically for the bears.... When it comes to wildlife photography...Black bears are sort of my specialty..... So I go where the bears are.... In Florida and other states..... People in Florida are not getting killed or maimed by bears....There are only a few recorded attacks... And all of the very few modern attacks have been when a person and the bears perceived escape route... And have amounted to bears swatting a person out of their way when attempting to escape....The Florida Panhandle does not have an exceptional bear problem..... They do not even have a bear problem at all.... If they did.... People would have been attacked... But people are not being attacked.. .For everyone that lives up in that area that shares your opinion.... There are many times the number of people that like the bears and feel protective of the bears...The Panhandle bears are not bold when it comes to people..... the Ocala Bears are far more bold..... And if you really want to see bold bears.... Got to the neighborhoods in Seminole County just south of Wekiva.... those are bold bears. But no one is getting attacked....What makes you think that banging pots and pans is going to scare off a bear that you see and the bear can see you? In your first post... you said you believed bears are very intelligent.... Well they are intelligent... And if you see them and they see you (their vision is not great but their sense of smell and hearing is exceptional) they have already figured out what you are... Banging pots and pans is far more likely to attract their curiosity and draw them towards you than spook them away.... I get more photos of bears than most folks.... And I learned this from the person that has probably taken more photos of black bears than anyone.... I do not hide.... I stand in the open... And if they are walking away..... I make noise.... They already know what I am..... It triggers their curiosity...IF I want a bear to back off... I am silent... I walk towards it... Purposely.... Silently..... That freaks bears out... Because now you look like a large predator that is challenging them... And I am Sorry... And do not want to make fun.... But a SW 500? really? is your second home on Kodiak Island?
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Post by ferris1248 on Jun 23, 2024 17:00:31 GMT -5
Banging pots and pans to scare off a bear? LMAO.
Why don't you just go inside until the bear leaves?
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 23, 2024 18:27:04 GMT -5
Banging pots and pans to scare off a bear? LMAO. Why don't you just go inside until the bear leaves?Frankly Between the "banging pots and pans", We have "an exceptional bear problem" and the comment about carrying a SW 500 for bears in Florida.... I was reading it to my wife that grew up in Buffalo and our friends call her Melissa of the mall... She started laughing so hard..... I ended up snorted Voodoo Ranger IPA through my nose....That hurt but I kept laughing.... The Florida Panhandle bears.... Are the most shy and reclusive population of bears in Florida...... Making Noise when the bear knows you are there is not going to scare them.... And is likely going to attract them..... and carrying a SW 500 for any black bears is (and I am not trying to be mean or cruel but carrying any firearm as protection for black bears.is pathetic) If you need to carry any firearm for a black bear..... You need to stay your ass in the city and maybe you should carry a shotgun to protect you from your neighbors poodle.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jun 23, 2024 18:51:55 GMT -5
Well Robert, we were told by the FWC to make noises and specifically to “bang pots and pans” together to scare the bears away.
I have been going to this area for about 40 years now. There is a “bear problem”.
A little girl was mauled at the Big Top grocery store in East Point in daylight a few years ago and this was one of the reasons that they allowed the first “hunting season”. Big Top has the best meat in the entire area and we shop there.
I do carry a shotgun. A four shot mini-Mossburg 12 gauge. Not for a poodle though.
I guess you know me better than I know myself. I’m just a “city boy” according to you. But you are very wrong sir.
Thanks for your unsolicited advice. Here’s some from me. Lay off the Makers Mark. It’s addling your brain.
👍🤣😂👍🤣😂
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jun 23, 2024 18:54:50 GMT -5
By the way, when we were banging the pots and pans together we had two family members trapped in the water and a bear in between them and the house.
We should have asked the bear to let them go past to just go in the house?
You talk shit about me but you are the person who has become a complete asshole.
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Post by jmarkb on Jun 23, 2024 18:59:54 GMT -5
Just a question? Instead of a “hunt” why not allow shooting bears that invade populated areas? Two things will be accomplished. The bear population will be diminished as desired and problematic bears that have overcome their fear of humans will be the bears that are eliminated. I watched as a sow led her cubs into a residential area at dusk one day. With the habitual “residential raiders” eliminated they would not be teaching their cubs this behavior. Just seems like the bears should be undisturbed in the wild but the bears that raided should be the only ones eliminated. There's probably more bears in populated areas than there are in the boonies.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 23, 2024 19:14:55 GMT -5
By the way, when we were banging the pots and pans together we had two family members trapped in the water and a bear in between them and the house. We should have asked the bear to let them go past to just go in the house? You talk shit about me but you are the person who has become a complete asshole.
I do not know if you are talking to me or Ferris when you are talking about the pots and pans....
And I can be nice and help you.... Or I can be very blunt...
But allow me to clearly state... your family was never trapped.... And I will pay you 500 bucks for the name of the FWC officer that suggested you bang pots and pans.... I do not want him fired... .But I want him educated..... And he NEEDS to be educated.... I can arrange that...
And I do not know a fucking thing about black bears.... I only photographed 129 individual bears in 2023.... And I have only been playing with bears for the last 45 years....
It is not like I have taken videos of bears, photos of bears, have followed sows with cubs to get photos etc.... Oh wait... I have....
I can help educate you.... Or not.... The choice is yours...
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Post by cadman on Jun 23, 2024 19:26:35 GMT -5
By the way, when we were banging the pots and pans together we had two family members trapped in the water and a bear in between them and the house. We should have asked the bear to let them go past to just go in the house? You talk shit about me but you are the person who has become a complete asshole.
I do not know if you are talking to me or Ferris when you are talking about the pots and pans....
And I can be nice and help you.... Or I can be very blunt...
But allow me to clearly state... your family was never trapped.... And I will pay you 500 bucks for the name of the FWC officer that suggested you bang pots and pans.... I do not want him fired... .But I want him educated..... And he NEEDS to be educated.... I can arrange that...
And I do not know a fucking thing about black bears.... I only photographed 129 individual bears in 2023.... And I have only been playing with bears for the last 45 years....
It is not like I have taken videos of bears, photos of bears, have followed sows with cubs to get photos etc.... Oh wait... I have....
I can help educate you.... Or not.... The choice is yours...
The FWC website says if a bear is in your yard and you are in a secure place making noise like banging pots and pans might scare them off. It does not say to do that if you encounter one up close. Illinois has his information confused. My guess is the officer was referring to one in your yard and you are in the house or other secure area where the bear can't get to you. Not try to chase it off with pans. myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/wildlife/bear/living/faqs/#:~:text=If%20you%20encounter%20a%20bear,in%20a%20calm%2C%20assertive%20voice.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 23, 2024 19:27:49 GMT -5
Just a question? Instead of a “hunt” why not allow shooting bears that invade populated areas? Two things will be accomplished. The bear population will be diminished as desired and problematic bears that have overcome their fear of humans will be the bears that are eliminated. I watched as a sow led her cubs into a residential area at dusk one day. With the habitual “residential raiders” eliminated they would not be teaching their cubs this behavior. Just seems like the bears should be undisturbed in the wild but the bears that raided should be the only ones eliminated. There's probably more bears in populated areas than there are in the boonies. No not really... The bears in populated areas get seen a lot.... Very few people go to the boonies to look for bears..... and it depends on time of year....I am not a fan of photographing suburban bears...... But summer is not the time....In the fall if I do not photograph 7 to 10 bears (if I photograph that many I saw twice that many) between sunrise and about noon.... I had a bad day..... I have also tried to photograph suburban bears in suburban areas on garbage pickup day.... My best day was two bears...
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 23, 2024 20:29:43 GMT -5
By the way, when we were banging the pots and pans together we had two family members trapped in the water and a bear in between them and the house. We should have asked the bear to let them go past to just go in the house? You talk shit about me but you are the person who has become a complete asshole.
I do not know if you are talking to me or Ferris when you are talking about the pots and pans....
And I can be nice and help you.... Or I can be very blunt...
But allow me to clearly state... your family was never trapped.... And I will pay you 500 bucks for the name of the FWC officer that suggested you bang pots and pans.... I do not want him fired... .But I want him educated..... And he NEEDS to be educated.... I can arrange that...
And I do not know a fucking thing about black bears.... I only photographed 129 individual bears in 2023.... And I have only been playing with bears for the last 45 years....
It is not like I have taken videos of bears, photos of bears, have followed sows with cubs to get photos etc.... Oh wait... I have....
I can help educate you.... Or not.... The choice is yours...
Know any 3 legged bears?
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 23, 2024 20:39:45 GMT -5
I do not know if you are talking to me or Ferris when you are talking about the pots and pans....
And I can be nice and help you.... Or I can be very blunt...
But allow me to clearly state... your family was never trapped.... And I will pay you 500 bucks for the name of the FWC officer that suggested you bang pots and pans.... I do not want him fired... .But I want him educated..... And he NEEDS to be educated.... I can arrange that...
And I do not know a fucking thing about black bears.... I only photographed 129 individual bears in 2023.... And I have only been playing with bears for the last 45 years....
It is not like I have taken videos of bears, photos of bears, have followed sows with cubs to get photos etc.... Oh wait... I have....
I can help educate you.... Or not.... The choice is yours...
Know any 3 legged bears? Not in the wild I have seen several with front or rear legs that were not usable ...
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 23, 2024 21:36:32 GMT -5
Got any pics of any with crippled back legs?
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