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Post by nikonoclast on May 5, 2024 9:07:54 GMT -5
50 Million Americans take antidepressants, anxiety drugs, and, antipsychotics. No problem here folks. Guns are the issue Most of them also drink beer, if not stronger stuff. "Poly Pharmacy" is a way of life in this country. Sometimes, ... she's a fun date. Sometimes, she's a job-killer. Sometimes, far worse.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 5, 2024 9:49:28 GMT -5
I sincerely believe that there should be a NATIONAL Registry of persons with mental disorders that would inhibit their ability to make decisions concerning firearm use.
Unfortunately these people would have to be denied the privilege of owning firearms. Should doctors determine that they have been cured of their mental illness condition then they should be removed from the list.
This list would be very helpful to curb violence committed with firearms.
I have no problem with stringent background checks. In fact I believe that they should take more time to process applications and really make sure (as much as possible) that firearms are not being sold to people who should not have them.
One more thing , if you are too intoxicated to drive a vehicle you should not have a firearm on your person.
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Post by mapper on May 5, 2024 10:25:10 GMT -5
That is a Slippery slope greased with imperial sizing wax..
While I understand the ties to mental disorders, I would not want a single diagnosis to take away a constitutional right.
I dont ask my doctor for gunsmithing advice, and i dont ask my gunsmith for medical advice.
I feel the same way about VA deeming someone mentally unfit because they have someone handle their finances. This is a admin decision not one as current judicial outcome.
I have known someone put in a impaired program as a punitive process and a diagnosis of "unspecified mood disorder" It was a nightmare for them to maintain their licensure for their livelyhood.
A mental disorder is a flag for me, not a immediate disqualifier. Due process must be given before a right is taken.
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Post by pinman on May 5, 2024 12:36:20 GMT -5
Mister doesn’t like guns, pretty well known. We all need checks and balances, it’s what makes our country the best. I’m pretty sure he is good people. Just saying. I really dont care who says it, it is one of the most ignorant statements gun grabbers can make about guns. And it shows their total lack of knowledge about guns, therefore they should not be commenting on guns. And others want to chime in about "invention" as if wheels use in Indy car racing has something to do with their "invention". This is the 21st Century....
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Post by biminitwisted on May 5, 2024 12:50:58 GMT -5
Statistically speaking, gun owners, and those around them, have a slightly higher chance of cashing in a winning ticket in the lottery of death.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 5, 2024 12:53:23 GMT -5
That is a Slippery slope greased with imperial sizing wax.. While I understand the ties to mental disorders, I would not want a single diagnosis to take away a constitutional right. I dont ask my doctor for gunsmithing advice, and i dont ask my gunsmith for medical advice. I feel the same way about VA deeming someone mentally unfit because they have someone handle their finances. This is a admin decision not one as current judicial outcome. I have known someone put in a impaired program as a punitive process and a diagnosis of "unspecified mood disorder" It was a nightmare for them to maintain their licensure for their livelyhood. A mental disorder is a flag for me, not a immediate disqualifier. Due process must be given before a right is taken. I totally agree that it is a very slippery slope. I had a friend almost killed by his son(who was diagnosed as having several mental disorders) LAST WEEK. He is devastated and I am personally very distraught about this event. The young man was taking his medication and was actually the best he was as long as I have known him which was almost for his entire life. Someone told him that he could treat himself with herbs and didn’t need the medicine. That person was wrong. He set the house on fire (purposely) when his father was sleeping in his bedroom. The house is totaled. They don’t know what to do with the son. They kept the son away from firearms but he could have lied and obtained one. Nothing was stopping him. He is around 35 years old. The son was like he was possessed by a demon when this was happening. The next day he didn’t even remember anything that had happened.
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Post by misterjr on May 5, 2024 12:56:38 GMT -5
Mister doesn’t like guns, pretty well known. We all need checks and balances, it’s what makes our country the best. I’m pretty sure he is good people. Just saying. I really dont care who says it, it is one of the most ignorant statements gun grabbers can make about guns. And it shows their total lack of knowledge about guns, therefore they should not be commenting on guns. And others want to chime in about "invention" as if wheels use in Indy car racing has something to do with their "invention". This is the 21st Century.... I grew up in Paducah, KY, where hunting was a religion. In high school, it was not unusual to see pickups in the school parking lots with a rifle mounted in the rear window. I saw many pickups driving in town with a deer carcass in the bed. I owned a 12 ga shotgun to bird hunt, dove in the summer and ducks and geese in the winter. You don't own a gun that I couldn't break down, put back together and fire.
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Post by cadman on May 5, 2024 13:11:00 GMT -5
Mister doesn’t like guns, pretty well known. We all need checks and balances, it’s what makes our country the best. I’m pretty sure he is good people. Just saying. I really dont care who says it, it is one of the most ignorant statements gun grabbers can make about guns. And it shows their total lack of knowledge about guns, therefore they should not be commenting on guns. And others want to chime in about "invention" as if wheels use in Indy car racing has something to do with their "invention". This is the 21st Century.... The invention and design is to kill effectively and accurately. The target shooting was about learning to aim and shoot effectively, not to participate in a sport. The sport developed later as a competition to show you were better able to hunt and defend yourself. The bullshit is you claiming a gun is designed for target practice and that is what the main use is. Guns are meant to kill other creatures, be it animals or humans. That is the guns purpose. Stop pretending it is some toy designed to shoot targets.
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Post by walkerdog on May 5, 2024 13:58:34 GMT -5
Some firearms actually are designed specifically to shoot competitively.
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Post by cadman on May 5, 2024 15:10:48 GMT -5
Some firearms actually are designed specifically to shoot competitively. Some cars are designed specifically to go down a straight track in under 4 seconds. But the automobiles design is to transport people from place to place more efficiently than the horse or bike.
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Post by walkerdog on May 5, 2024 16:43:53 GMT -5
Some firearms actually are designed specifically to shoot competitively. Some cars are designed specifically to go down a straight track in under 4 seconds. But the automobiles design is to transport people from place to place more efficiently than the horse or bike. Exactly. Some cars are designed for purposes other than transportation. Its not usually a good idea to state something as an absolute. You’ll be wrong, more often than not, if so.
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Post by pinman on May 5, 2024 17:43:24 GMT -5
I really dont care who says it, it is one of the most ignorant statements gun grabbers can make about guns. And it shows their total lack of knowledge about guns, therefore they should not be commenting on guns. And others want to chime in about "invention" as if wheels use in Indy car racing has something to do with their "invention". This is the 21st Century.... I grew up in Paducah, KY, where hunting was a religion. In high school, it was not unusual to see pickups in the school parking lots with a rifle mounted in the rear window. I saw many pickups driving in town with a deer carcass in the bed. I owned a 12 ga shotgun to bird hunt, dove in the summer and ducks and geese in the winter. You don't own a gun that I couldn't break down, put back together and fire. So? That makes you a gun expert somehow? Ill bring you a gun that is ALREADY broken down and you put it back together! THAT would be the trick, easy to take one down then reassemble. But youre ignorant about guns so you think what you are describing would be an accomplishment....
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Post by pinman on May 5, 2024 17:56:14 GMT -5
I really dont care who says it, it is one of the most ignorant statements gun grabbers can make about guns. And it shows their total lack of knowledge about guns, therefore they should not be commenting on guns. And others want to chime in about "invention" as if wheels use in Indy car racing has something to do with their "invention". This is the 21st Century.... The invention and design is to kill effectively and accurately. The target shooting was about learning to aim and shoot effectively, not to participate in a sport. The sport developed later as a competition to show you were better able to hunt and defend yourself. The bullshit is you claiming a gun is designed for target practice and that is what the main use is. Guns are meant to kill other creatures, be it animals or humans. That is the guns purpose. Stop pretending it is some toy designed to shoot targets. So where did I say "a gun is designed for target practice and that is what the main use is"? Talk about "bullshit"! I DID say that more holes are punched in paper and clay through out the world than through flesh. No way to prove but I stand behind that claim. I guess those guys and gals participating in Biathlon are just there to show they are "better able to hunt and defend" themselves? What a joke of a statement and another person ignorant about guns. Im sure whomever "designed" this Biathlon rifle was thinking "what a fine killing machine this will be". LMFAO!
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Post by cadman on May 5, 2024 18:22:45 GMT -5
Some cars are designed specifically to go down a straight track in under 4 seconds. But the automobiles design is to transport people from place to place more efficiently than the horse or bike. Exactly. Some cars are designed for purposes other than transportation. Its not usually a good idea to state something as an absolute. You’ll be wrong, more often than not, if so. My statement is still correct. Just because a few guns are made for a particular sporting event does not change the purpose of the gun. To kill more efficiently than the bow and arrow That should not bother you. I do not understand why it scares some to say that. The second amendment does not exist to allow you to shoot at targets. It is there so you can defend your life and property if need be. It does not make the gun "bad" or "evil". It, like other tools, has a primary purpose even it is sometimes used for other purpose.
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Post by garycoleco on May 5, 2024 19:04:29 GMT -5
50 Million Americans take antidepressants, anxiety drugs, and, antipsychotics. No problem here folks. Guns are the issue Most of them also drink beer, if not stronger stuff. "Poly Pharmacy" is a way of life in this country. Sometimes, ... she's a fun date. Sometimes, she's a job-killer. Sometimes, far worse. Well I'll bet a few bucks that all mass Shooters are on loads on prescription drugs. It's astonishing how many cone with suicide, depression, and psychotic thoughts side effect warnings
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