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Post by OhMy on Aug 15, 2023 12:05:14 GMT -5
Are the horned frogs poisonous to dogs?
We have cane toads down in south Florida that will kill a dog if licked or eaten.
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Post by swampdog on Aug 15, 2023 12:05:23 GMT -5
Same here frog. What type of defensive mechanism do they have? Their beautiful coloration makes great camouflage unless they’re sitting on the patio or pool deck.
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 15, 2023 12:14:07 GMT -5
One reason they may not have established in Florida is lack of prey. They eat anything that walks by up to the size of mice and small rats. But the animal has to walk by. It doesn’t go seeking the prey. Pick a square yard in the Florida woods. How often would small animals go walking by within striking distance of the frog, which is about twice or three times its body length? The predators in the same niche in Florida are the native frogs and toads and snakes. All of which will go looking for food in between short stents waiting in ambush. The pacman frog is nothing but an ambush predator. South America and central Africa support unrelated species of frogs that similarly spends their whole lives waiting in ambush. Florida has no such equivalent native frog. There must be a real different in the richness of the forest floor in terms of small animals between Florida and South America/Africa.
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 15, 2023 12:18:56 GMT -5
Same here frog. What type of defensive mechanism do they have? Their beautiful coloration makes great camouflage unless they’re sitting on the patio or pool deck. They attack predators head on and make scary noises.
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 15, 2023 12:21:03 GMT -5
Are the horned frogs poisonous to dogs? We have cane toads down in south Florida that will kill a dog if licked or eaten. They are not poisonous. But they are often erroneously thought to be by the locals in South America. There the frogs have lots of legends and superstitions about them due to their aggressive nature. They can and will bite toes if walking barefoot at night. They’re thought of as little demon frogs.
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 15, 2023 12:27:29 GMT -5
I have not. Other than keeping native toads, treefrogs, a big Cuban treefrog, and some African dwarf clawed frogs, pacmans have been the only frogs I have kept.
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 15, 2023 13:06:14 GMT -5
Tonight I’ll do a writeup about what I already have. My wife is bringing home a chocolate Cranwell that I am hoping amounts to the wild coloration. That will get me started with 2. The shop I asked to order an ornate got me, forgot to. I have some ornates sourced online but will hold off on getting one for now. I may pick one up as a target of opportunity if I see one out and about. It will give me a reason to hit pet stores when I’m traveling.
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Post by gardawg on Aug 15, 2023 13:16:05 GMT -5
Daddy loves Froggy. Does Froggy love Daddy?
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 15, 2023 13:24:04 GMT -5
Daddy loves his froggy very, very much.
Pacman frogs, bulldogs, and chickens were my childhood. The only thing I lack are ornate wood turtles. My first pet turtle, besides gopher tortoises, was an ornate wood turtle from Central America. I saw some up in Valdosta over the weekend, but that’s a project for another decade if I make it that far.
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 15, 2023 21:45:15 GMT -5
This first frog with the green and olive markings is the one I picked up in Valdosta. It is a Cranwell's with a somewhat rare color pattern. It may be carrying the translucent gene that has only recently been teased out of Cranwell genetics. This is why this frog may look a little bit like a spade foot toad. There were other frogs there with better body conformation, but truly the color sells, because I couldn't walk away from this one. The attitude of this first frog is mixed. On the way home from Valdosta, it ate a cricket in the cup it was in, which is unusual for a pacman to feel comfortable enough to eat while its being jostled around in a vehicle in a strange environment. Since it's settled in at home, its appetite is only moderate. It ate a cricket a day for a couple of days. It ate several crickets tonight in one sitting. I wouldn't yet call it voracious as it ought to be. I have found that it prefers domestic crickets to wild field crickets, but the wild field crickets likely have better nutrition. I have also found that it prefers to have its crickets dusted with calcium powder. I do not know if that improves the taste or whether it makes the crickets easier to see against a dark background. Either way, his willingness to eat increased noticeably when the crickets were white from the powder, even the wild crickets. I do not believe the frog is as strong as it should be for its age. It struggles to hop in and out of its shallow water dish. I hope with proper diet and tank parameters I'll get it to where it needs to be. Its name is Dain II Ironfoot, who was the king of Erebor during the Third Age from the death of Thorin II to the Battle of Dale. If it turns out to be a female, I'll rename it Lady Dana Ironfoot. This brown one is the one my wife brought home this evening. It is a wild phase Cranwell. It is half the size of Dain, but can jump much higher and is far more aggressive. It already ate 4-5 small crickets and 1 large wild field cricket. It can jump in and out of a large water bowl that is much deeper than the one Dain cannot jump out of. This may be a very good specimen. This one has not been named yet. My wife and daughter cannot decide what to name it. My wife likes Frogger, which I despise. My daughter wants to name it Pacman Pacman, which is not happening. I let her name the newest bulldog and I regret it. I'll probably let my wife have her way.
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Post by johnnybandit on Aug 16, 2023 17:19:43 GMT -5
This first frog with the green and olive markings is the one I picked up in Valdosta. It is a Cranwell's with a somewhat rare color pattern. It may be carrying the translucent gene that has only recently been teased out of Cranwell genetics. This is why this frog may look a little bit like a spade foot toad. There were other frogs there with better body conformation, but truly the color sells, because I couldn't walk away from this one. The attitude of this first frog is mixed. On the way home from Valdosta, it ate a cricket in the cup it was in, which is unusual for a pacman to feel comfortable enough to eat while its being jostled around in a vehicle in a strange environment. Since it's settled in at home, its appetite is only moderate. It ate a cricket a day for a couple of days. It ate several crickets tonight in one sitting. I wouldn't yet call it voracious as it ought to be. I have found that it prefers domestic crickets to wild field crickets, but the wild field crickets likely have better nutrition. I have also found that it prefers to have its crickets dusted with calcium powder. I do not know if that improves the taste or whether it makes the crickets easier to see against a dark background. Either way, his willingness to eat increased noticeably when the crickets were white from the powder, even the wild crickets. I do not believe the frog is as strong as it should be for its age. It struggles to hop in and out of its shallow water dish. I hope with proper diet and tank parameters I'll get it to where it needs to be. Its name is Dain II Ironfoot, who was the king of Erebor during the Third Age from the death of Thorin II to the Battle of Dale. If it turns out to be a female, I'll rename it Lady Dana Ironfoot. This brown one is the one my wife brought home this evening. It is a wild phase Cranwell. It is half the size of Dain, but can jump much higher and is far more aggressive. It already ate 4-5 small crickets and 1 large wild field cricket. It can jump in and out of a large water bowl that is much deeper than the one Dain cannot jump out of. This may be a very good specimen. This one has not been named yet. My wife and daughter cannot decide what to name it. My wife likes Frogger, which I despise. My daughter wants to name it Pacman Pacman, which is not happening. I let her name the newest bulldog and I regret it. I'll probably let my wife have her way.
BF..... VERY Cool.... The second frog, the one your wife brought home, looks very much like the Horned Frogs I used to see available for sale when I was a kid....
Your first frog is VERY Pretty.... I hope he becomes more robust...
The frogs like your second frog, used to be super aggressive.
Frankly if you are trying to build a line of robust horned frogs..... If the place your wife got that one at has more.. I might buy a few of them.... That way you are sure to get a mix of males and females... To give you a foundation...
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 16, 2023 22:22:12 GMT -5
The store had one other pacman but it was an albino. My wife Facetimed me so I could see it and I declined. Albinos usually don’t make it in nature so I’m looking to avoid albinos for my breeding stock. I passed on one over the weekend that had gorgeous body conformation and a pleasing color and pattern, but I saw those pink eyes it had and it made me leery.
The next few days will be me experimenting with lighting, heating, and thermostats. We keep our house cool, 70-72F at the highest. Ornatas come from a cool climate where it rarely gets out of the low 80s, but Cranwells have a large range that stretches from the cool Pampas all the way north to just below the Amazon where its tropical. They prefer tanks that don’t drop below the high 70s. So I’m trying different heat setups to see what is most stable. I am also experimenting with UVB emitting fluorescents, both so the frogs can produce D3 and to grow my plants in the terrariums. Both terrariums are planted with sweet potato slips. They absolutely love one of the fluorescents I am using and are quickly rooting. But Dain hates the florescent and hides his eyes when its on. I got some more bulbs coming that should be less intense.
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Post by OhMy on Aug 17, 2023 7:47:49 GMT -5
As an ambush predator will these frogs ambush chicks that walk by or do you keep them separate from your chickens?
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 17, 2023 7:59:41 GMT -5
As an ambush predator will these frogs ambush chicks that walk by or do you keep them separate from your chickens? They will eat chicks. I used to feed my ornata deformed or weak chicks. For now, these two Cranwells will be raised indoors. One in my daughter’s room, one in my study. I will only put the adults outside to breed, then let the froglets grow up outside in a secure enclosure. I fed my ornata a snake once.
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Post by restlessnative on Aug 17, 2023 9:26:22 GMT -5
As an ambush predator will these frogs ambush chicks that walk by or do you keep them separate from your chickens? They will eat chicks. I used to feed my ornata deformed or weak chicks. For now, these two Cranwells will be raised indoors. One in my daughter’s room, one in my study. I will only put the adults outside to breed, then let the froglets grow up outside in a secure enclosure. I fed my ornata a snake once. Is that like a side chick name I don't know about?
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