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Post by pinman on Jun 17, 2023 17:42:34 GMT -5
So, serious question, as I heard this on a radio show; Who is the ultimate authority on what is classified?
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Post by cadman on Jun 17, 2023 19:11:23 GMT -5
Serious answer, pretty sure the President is.
But these documents were never declassified. He can not declassify them by just thinking it, he has to let certain people know because those documents are then subject to open records request and the press would love to read some of them. Due to that, even though Trump made a claim he declassified them, that argument has not been brought up by his attorneys in legal filings, since that might trigger a bunch of classified documents coming out in the open.
Trump has a habit of making wild defense claims to the media and his fan base, when he does something wrong, to make it look like he is the target of some attack. It is just bluster for the media and fans and is never true. He then changes the story later on, like initially claiming they were planted, then he declassified them, and now he's back on they were planted defense. None of that is the truth.
I am sure, in his head, he was the President and allowed to take anything he wanted no matter what the rules in place said. Even if they weren't classified documents, they are the property of the government, not Donald Trump and he has no right to remove them from the government offices. He can only take personal papers when he leaves office.
But, as I said, the government got them back, just drop it and move on.
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Post by dragonbait on Jun 17, 2023 19:49:02 GMT -5
Reality winner spent years in prison for one doc, and the government got it back, he should face the repercussions that come from obstruction and if it is proven he sold some to a foreign government sent to ADMAX
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Post by pinman on Jun 17, 2023 20:21:40 GMT -5
Serious answer, pretty sure the President is. But these documents were never declassified. He can not declassify them by just thinking it, he has to let certain people know because those documents are then subject to open records request and the press would love to read some of them. Due to that, even though Trump made a claim he declassified them, that argument has not been brought up by his attorneys in legal filings, since that might trigger a bunch of classified documents coming out in the open. Trump has a habit of making wild defense claims to the media and his fan base, when he does something wrong, to make it look like he is the target of some attack. It is just bluster for the media and fans and is never true. He then changes the story later on, like initially claiming they were planted, then he declassified them, and now he's back on they were planted defense. None of that is the truth. I am sure, in his head, he was the President and allowed to take anything he wanted no matter what the rules in place said. Even if they weren't classified documents, they are the property of the government, not Donald Trump and he has no right to remove them from the government offices. He can only take personal papers when he leaves office. But, as I said, the government got them back, just drop it and move on. So if the President is the ultimate authority on what is classified why couldnt he declassify them by just thinking it? Who would he need to consult with to declassify them if he is the ultimate authority? Of course all this would have to occur while he is the sitting President. |
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Post by pinman on Jun 17, 2023 20:22:57 GMT -5
Reality winner spent years in prison for one doc, and the government got it back, he should face the repercussions that come from obstruction and if it is proven he sold some to a foreign government sent to ADMAX Selling documents to foreign governments is a whole different ball of wax.... |
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Post by dragonbait on Jun 17, 2023 21:07:31 GMT -5
Winner didn’t sell anything she just released it and caught 5 years,
tfg
"In my administration I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information," he said in August 2016.
Less than a month later, on September 6, he followed up by saying: "We can't have someone in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified."
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Post by cadman on Jun 17, 2023 21:31:51 GMT -5
Serious answer, pretty sure the President is. But these documents were never declassified. He can not declassify them by just thinking it, he has to let certain people know because those documents are then subject to open records request and the press would love to read some of them. Due to that, even though Trump made a claim he declassified them, that argument has not been brought up by his attorneys in legal filings, since that might trigger a bunch of classified documents coming out in the open. Trump has a habit of making wild defense claims to the media and his fan base, when he does something wrong, to make it look like he is the target of some attack. It is just bluster for the media and fans and is never true. He then changes the story later on, like initially claiming they were planted, then he declassified them, and now he's back on they were planted defense. None of that is the truth. I am sure, in his head, he was the President and allowed to take anything he wanted no matter what the rules in place said. Even if they weren't classified documents, they are the property of the government, not Donald Trump and he has no right to remove them from the government offices. He can only take personal papers when he leaves office. But, as I said, the government got them back, just drop it and move on. So if the President is the ultimate authority on what is classified why couldnt he declassify them by just thinking it? Who would he need to consult with to declassify them if he is the ultimate authority? Of course all this would have to occur while he is the sitting President. Once a document is declassified it is open to record requests, how can it be declassified if the President does not say it is and tell others. The President has the ultimate authority to pardon people, can he just pardon them by thinking it and announce after he left office they were pardoned because he thought it? There are procedures set by previous Presidents in their executive orders that requires certain people be notified before a document is declassified and after a document is declassified. That sets in motion a list of events regarding that document and how it is stored and released to the public. So, the answer is NO, due to rules set in place by previous administrations that Trump did not issue an executive order overturning, he can not declassify a document by thinking it. He actually has to make a record that it was declassified for it to be true. Also, as i pointed out, that has never been used by him or his attorneys as a legal defense and will not be due to other legal issues it could present for Trump if some of those documents were detrimental to national security and would be public record once declassified. Trump just said that for his fan base, he knows it isn't true and he never thought it. Just think about the implications if any ex-president could claim he declassified something be thinking about it while in office, or he pardoned somebody by thinking about it while in office, or anything else the office gave him authority over. There is a reason they are required to tell certain people about certain decisions for it to be a decision. |
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Post by cadman on Jun 17, 2023 21:52:50 GMT -5
pinman,
I was mistaken about the President having ultimate authority to declassify documents. There are specific laws regarding certain documents like nuclear secrets and capabilities and such. Not even the President has the authority to declassify some documents related to certain aspects of national security. The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 set new classifications for nuclear secrets that the President can not change.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jun 18, 2023 2:23:45 GMT -5
It's not just the classification status, it's the blatant obstruction of justice as well. He's admitted to a considerable amount of that as well. Either he's above the law, or he's not. It's pretty simple really considering how many others have gone to prison for much less.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jun 18, 2023 2:33:01 GMT -5
Show's over folks, go home. This says it all. The wind is out of his sails.
On Arraignment Day, Miami’s police chief was prepared for a pro-Trump crowd size between 5000 and 50,000 people. Significant contingency plans were in place. In reality, the crowd of supporters (which Trump had desperately summoned into action), numbered between 500 and 2000 — at its peak. Not the massive, show of force numbers Trump had in mind.
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Post by mrghettosmurf on Jun 19, 2023 14:38:40 GMT -5
This many people responded to bs politics and don’t post shit for reports
This site is doomed
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Post by skunkdog on Jun 20, 2023 5:26:35 GMT -5
I love how Trump keeps climbing in the polls, a big Fuck You to the establishment.
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Post by Mynki on Jun 20, 2023 5:53:51 GMT -5
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 20, 2023 8:16:50 GMT -5
To my knowledge, Trump has never officially denounced queer lifestyles or any other race while in office... that narrative was concocted by the establishment and fed to the media to disseminate it to the gullible.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jun 20, 2023 13:23:01 GMT -5
Anyone that goes on TV and literally confesses to the crimes he's under indictment for is a moron.
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