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Post by billybob on Aug 28, 2024 14:30:26 GMT -5
I searched the site. But came up with nothing. I know it has been discussed before. Looking at ordering online. My buddy Old AC refrigeration guy. Told me Goodman with 14 seer or so. Don’t get crazy Seer and more problems. Quick search showed many are Out of Stock. Something about old Seer rating disregarded since 2023. I just want to get 2 systems ordered and delivered. 2 story house. Will store till bottom floor unit dies or gets cooler to replace already dead upstairs unit. Thanks in advance. My understanding is this ac stuff is going to get really expensive
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Post by billybob on Aug 28, 2024 19:41:23 GMT -5
Just to add My house AC Original units 1996. R22 units. 410 is what I am looking at getting. Not the newest expensive stuff
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Post by linemannf on Aug 28, 2024 21:38:44 GMT -5
I had a Carrier and it was pretty good for about 15 years and I decided to upgrade when it started nickel and diming me, so I upgraded to a Trane, you know the one that nothing can stop, well I am here to tell you that is BS a dang feather can stop mine, the coil in the air handler has already had to be replaced as well as the compressor, but it's all been replaced under warranty but I worry that with as much trouble as it has given that when the warranty is done it might get expensive.
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Post by tonyroma on Aug 28, 2024 22:05:01 GMT -5
I’ll bump it for BillyBob, there used to be a few AC guys on FS, maybe they are still around.
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Post by flysalt069 on Aug 29, 2024 6:07:09 GMT -5
Goodman ok,you stop a Trane when power is turned on. Comfortmaker,arcoaire,Payne are Carrier. They are all about the same. Get equipment now!Mitsubishi has already done away with 410 and gone to a A2L refrigerant. Brazing is going away with new refrigerants. Already been some explosions even when techs follow the purging process. All manufacturers are expediting getting away from 410.
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Post by Tarpon65 on Aug 29, 2024 6:09:45 GMT -5
I had a Carrier and it was pretty good for about 15 years and I decided to upgrade when it started nickel and diming me, so I upgraded to a Trane, you know the one that nothing can stop, well I am here to tell you that is BS a dang feather can stop mine, the coil in the air handler has already had to be replaced as well as the compressor, but it's all been replaced under warranty but I worry that with as much trouble as it has given that when the warranty is done it might get expensive. Just curious, did you still have to pay out for the refrigerant charges? This really grinds me, as I have a 12 years parts and labor on mine (I paid out for the labor aspect when I purchased the units) but still got billed for this when replacing various parts over the years. |
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Post by linemannf on Aug 29, 2024 6:59:39 GMT -5
I had a Carrier and it was pretty good for about 15 years and I decided to upgrade when it started nickel and diming me, so I upgraded to a Trane, you know the one that nothing can stop, well I am here to tell you that is BS a dang feather can stop mine, the coil in the air handler has already had to be replaced as well as the compressor, but it's all been replaced under warranty but I worry that with as much trouble as it has given that when the warranty is done it might get expensive. Just curious, did you still have to pay out for the refrigerant charges? This really grinds me, as I have a 12 years parts and labor on mine (I paid out for the labor aspect when I purchased the units) but still got billed for this when replacing various parts over the years. No , that's the one thing I can't complain about, my dealer hasn't charged me a penny for any of the warranty work that he has done. |
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Post by madm002 on Aug 29, 2024 11:35:22 GMT -5
Goodman ok,you stop a Trane when power is turned on. Comfortmaker,arcoaire,Payne are Carrier. They are all about the same. Get equipment now!Mitsubishi has already done away with 410 and gone to a A2L refrigerant. Brazing is going away with new refrigerants. Already been some explosions even when techs follow the purging process. All manufacturers are expediting getting away from 410. I am sure you know a lot more than me but our experience with Goodman was terrible. Our installer told me he stopped using them. Major parts availability issue |
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Post by flysalt069 on Aug 29, 2024 12:08:41 GMT -5
Parts have become a major issue. But unless the unit is top of the line manufacturer makes,parts are generic. Since Daiiken aquried Goodman,they may have started compressor shenanigans. Trane been pulling that bs for years now. Or obseletting compresses after 5 years. Billybob get the equipment, I just cleaned out my company email and found one from July 10. It was notification that no more 410 equipment after July 15 from Lennox. Except what is left. Anything ordered or built to order would be 454b refrigerant
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Aug 29, 2024 12:10:03 GMT -5
You could ask my stepson but I don't think he ever made the migration over. (OK the jokes gone on long enough he's not my stepson he's actually older than me)
You might want to do a little research on the new refrigerant requirements. I know you said you don't want newest and most expensive but if you buy a 410 system in 5 years (or less) you wont be able to get parts or refrigerant for it. They are going to some kind of propane based refrigerant. I wish I had a fraction of the budget we spend on R22 and 410 around here. We will probably buy up every bit of stock we can find because we have a lot of HVAC/coolers. And the control room HVAC HAS to work. It's an NRC requirement. "Habitability"
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Aug 29, 2024 12:11:17 GMT -5
Parts have become a major issue. But unless the unit is top of the line manufacturer makes,parts are generic. Since Daiiken aquried Goodman,they may have started compressor shenanigans. Trane been pulling that bs for years now. Or obseletting compresses after 5 years. Billybob get the equipment, I just cleaned out my company email and found one from July 10. It was notification that no more 410 equipment after July 15 from Lennox. Except what is left. Anything ordered or built to order would be 454b refrigerant I didn't see your post before I posted mine. /\ this |
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Post by tater on Aug 29, 2024 12:25:36 GMT -5
Tempstar
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Post by flysalt069 on Aug 29, 2024 13:03:58 GMT -5
ICP owned by carrier. Just looked at the website. That used to be a builder grade unit. Waay to much bs in controls. A res unit doesn’t need controls like the chillers I work on. Thermostat has worked for many years. |
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Post by flysalt069 on Aug 29, 2024 13:06:52 GMT -5
You could ask my stepson but I don't think he ever made the migration over. (OK the jokes gone on long enough he's not my stepson he's actually older than me) You might want to do a little research on the new refrigerant requirements. I know you said you don't want newest and most expensive but if you buy a 410 system in 5 years (or less) you wont be able to get parts or refrigerant for it. They are going to some kind of propane based refrigerant. I wish I had a fraction of the budget we spend on R22 and 410 around here. We will probably buy up every bit of stock we can find because we have a lot of HVAC/coolers. And the control room HVAC HAS to work. It's an NRC requirement. "Habitability" The supply houses have lowered prices for pallets of refrigerant. At least around Atlanta. 22 price was below 1k for a pallet. Surely Witchen supply is doing this. Trane supply still doing it. And Bama Trane is run by Atlanta. |
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Aug 29, 2024 13:19:06 GMT -5
You could ask my stepson but I don't think he ever made the migration over. (OK the jokes gone on long enough he's not my stepson he's actually older than me) You might want to do a little research on the new refrigerant requirements. I know you said you don't want newest and most expensive but if you buy a 410 system in 5 years (or less) you wont be able to get parts or refrigerant for it. They are going to some kind of propane based refrigerant. I wish I had a fraction of the budget we spend on R22 and 410 around here. We will probably buy up every bit of stock we can find because we have a lot of HVAC/coolers. And the control room HVAC HAS to work. It's an NRC requirement. "Habitability" The supply houses have lowered prices for pallets of refrigerant. At least around Atlanta. 22 price was below 1k for a pallet. Surely Witchen supply is doing this. Trane supply still doing it. And Bama Trane is run by Atlanta. I'm not sure. I don't deal with the HVAC stuff much any more over on my side. What ever everybody else is paying for ut we probably pay 3-5x more. Cause..."nuclear" |
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Post by flysalt069 on Aug 29, 2024 13:21:31 GMT -5
Yea,I’m the old man yelling at clouds. After 44 plus years of a/c service work,the bullshit I see in res and light commercial a/c pisses me off. We have useless regulations that most of the world doesn’t,because they don’t have a/c. I just spent most of summer either with windows open and ceiling fans going or a/c set on 80. I spend 8 to whatever hours being hot. Unless you live in mansion, the average home does not need variable speed blower,compressor and actuated dampers. Res contractors went from fixing,to parts changers and now salesman. And the more unnecessary bells and whistles (oh it will save u money on your power bill) is bullshit. When that go to hell controller / tstat fails,it cost what u supposedly saved. I see this constantly with vfds on chillers. When they take a shit,it’s about 50k to 75 k. There goes the savings.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Aug 29, 2024 13:24:37 GMT -5
The old saying around here is we make dollars not sense.
When I was on the construction side it was the 4Cs. Chaos Creates Constant Cashflow
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Post by flysalt069 on Aug 29, 2024 13:25:20 GMT -5
The supply houses have lowered prices for pallets of refrigerant. At least around Atlanta. 22 price was below 1k for a pallet. Surely Witchen supply is doing this. Trane supply still doing it. And Bama Trane is run by Atlanta. I'm not sure. I don't deal with the HVAC stuff much any more over on my side. What ever everybody else is paying for ut we probably pay 3-5x more. Cause..."nuclear" Yep. At carrier we did panel replacement on a couple of tva nukes. After taking off cost of putting panels in nema 12 boxes and getting in and out of plant,cost was still double. And utc didn’t want to do because of liability since a nuke. |
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Post by tampaspicer on Aug 29, 2024 13:26:33 GMT -5
Yea,I’m the old man yelling at clouds. After 44 plus years of a/c service work,the bullshit I see in res and light commercial a/c pisses me off. We have useless regulations that most of the world doesn’t,because they don’t have a/c. I just spent most of summer either with windows open and ceiling fans going or a/c set on 80. I spend 8 to whatever hours being hot. Unless you live in mansion, the average home does not need variable speed blower,compressor and actuated dampers. Res contractors went from fixing,to parts changers and now salesman. And the more unnecessary bells and whistles (oh it will save u money on your power bill) is bullshit. When that go to hell controller / tstat fails,it cost what u supposedly saved. I see this constantly with vfds on chillers. When they take a shit,it’s about 50k to 75 k. There goes the savings. Yeap simple for the average home is the way to go. Less shit to break as well. |
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Aug 29, 2024 13:29:54 GMT -5
We use a lot of X washers in the breaker shop. There are Safety Related (SR) and non Safety related. They are literally the same washer. Come from the same factory. Out of the same machine. Have the same part number except one comes in bag that says 123xxx(SR)
and the other is just 123xxx. We probably pay pennies for the non SR and $40-50 for the SR ones 🙄
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Post by billybob on Aug 29, 2024 14:41:31 GMT -5
Lots of good info coming in. One thing my buddy said was new Freon jugs are going to refillable. No throw away jugs.
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Post by conchydong on Aug 29, 2024 14:49:51 GMT -5
Question for those in the know. If the new refrigerant doesn’t have sweat fittings, will they make it adapters that you can connect your existing tubing or do you have to rerun all of your tubing?
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Post by flysalt069 on Aug 29, 2024 15:25:34 GMT -5
Question for those in the know. If the new refrigerant doesn’t have sweat fittings, will they make it adapters that you can connect your existing tubing or do you have to rerun all of your tubing? I think about 10 years ago(I don’t have to use it)sporlan, refrigerant parts supplier,came out with zoom lock. Basically same as pro press that plumbers have had for 20 years. The word in our industry is replacement compressors and other parts will have copper extensions for pressing. There have been press fittings for a few years now. Or the coils and compressors will be roto lock, which has been around forever. Just use sparkless wrenches, which also been around forever. Damn glad I don’t do res and fixing to retire and may not double dip. I took a new apprentice to a supply house for decent free bbq. A lot of the suppliers there. All the tool venders had some form of pro press. Even Uniweld, the gold standard in hvac, for torch tools. The main guy was in 50’s, looked at kid and told him, you may barely ever braze. Unwield has a press tool. |
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Post by flysalt069 on Aug 29, 2024 15:27:09 GMT -5
Also overseas, they came up with a gator bite fitting that works on refrigerant. It’s used over here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2024 16:50:17 GMT -5
I miss those old rooftops that didn’t have circuit boards. It seems like everything went to crap when they started with all the circuit boards 😞
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Post by mapper on Aug 29, 2024 17:52:22 GMT -5
I'm glad I know a guy that keeps my 45 yr old dinosaur geothermal humming happily. No circuit boards in it. I keep a spare pump on hand, and flush the water inlet monthly.
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Post by billybob on Aug 29, 2024 19:29:48 GMT -5
I tried a few different websites. Put a package in the cart. Gets to have to select coil position and Freon type and 410 not selectable. Dang. Interesting tidbit about my AC buddy. He did a lot of work around Atlanta area and restaurants. He used to grease the beak gears on Big Chicken KFC in Marietta Ga
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Post by richm on Aug 29, 2024 20:04:25 GMT -5
We got a noname in 2000 and it ran for 20-21 yrs. Replaced with something else and that has been working. Lil rust showing inside the fan thingy outside.
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