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Post by nuthinfancy on Aug 26, 2024 8:42:15 GMT -5
One of the few times we're going to have hunters, hikers, birders, horse folk, etc all in agreeance. this hunter is meh. They don't open them for us and all the hikers, birdwatchers, and horse whackos burn us every chsnce they get. Is it a bad ideA? Sure. Sure, I am pissed that hunters get no access to state parks. But if they think they can pull development like this off in a state park that is frequently visited imagine what they will try to do to your local WMA when they find a better use for it. The state needs a harsh reminder that these are our lands.
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Post by johngalt on Aug 26, 2024 9:38:54 GMT -5
Reading and listening to the latest news coming out of Tallahassee it looks like this proposal is dead.
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Post by slough on Aug 26, 2024 10:01:29 GMT -5
Reading and listening to the latest news coming out of Tallahassee it looks like this proposal is dead. That's the way it appears.
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Post by misterjr on Aug 26, 2024 10:52:22 GMT -5
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Post by JS84 on Aug 26, 2024 11:33:06 GMT -5
Hopefully there won't be a need for public comment
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Post by Captj on Aug 26, 2024 14:27:08 GMT -5
The state's m.o. is to kick this down the road, then when things quiet down the parks will be savaged. We're fighting like hell here in the Keys to stop the developers, but you know what they say. Money talks.
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Post by conchydong on Aug 26, 2024 14:34:32 GMT -5
At least this issue has opposition from both sides of the aisle. I hope it never happens.
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Post by restlessnative on Aug 26, 2024 16:53:47 GMT -5
It was being proposed by the Tuskegee Foundation through Folds of Honor, which would have used all proceeds to support their mission, so good intent gone awry, but they have called it off. Here was their statement:
"Serving God and Country is our daily goal. That was the spirit for the idea to bring world class public golf to south east Florida, and donate all proceeds to support military and first responders’ families. Working with the state of Florida, we explored Jonathan Dickinson State Park at the location of a dilapidated military facility. We sought improvements that would invite families to enjoy the great game of golf, while honoring minority veterans and enhancing the natural beauty of Florida’s beloved environment. We have received clear feedback that Jonathan Dickinson State Park is the not the right location. We did not understand the local community landscape and appreciate the clarity. We will not pursue building in the beloved Jonathan Dickinson State Park."
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Post by slough on Aug 27, 2024 8:32:24 GMT -5
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Post by misterjr on Aug 27, 2024 11:01:09 GMT -5
Months ago, Florida OK’d giving 324 acres of state forest to golf course company The land swap, which still needs final approval, was separate from the controversial initiative embroiling Florida’s environmental agency.
The deafening, bipartisan uproar over the Florida Department of Environmental Protection’s plans to add golf courses, hotels and more to nine state parks has rocked the state in the past week, causing one group behind the push to withdraw its proposal for Jonathan Dickinson State Park in Martin County. But in June, months before those plans were unveiled, Florida’s top officials approved a transfer of 324 acres of state forest land to a Hernando County golf course company in an effort separate from the Florida environmental agency’s current state parks initiative. The company, Cabot Citrus OpCo LLC, already owns a luxury golf resort with several rolling emerald courses in Brooksville directly adjacent to the Withlacoochee State Forest parcel. It’s the first American resort run by Cabot, a Canadian luxury golf course developer with courses from Bordeaux, France, to the Scottish Highlands to the Caribbean island of St. Lucia. On its website, the company promises players in Brooksville that they’ll be able to tee off among “pristine natural beauty.” The company has also signaled it’s expanding: Cabot Citrus Farms will soon have a sporting club and real estate for purchase, starting just under $1.8 million, its website states. Gov. Ron DeSantis, Agriculture Commissioner Wilton Simpson, Attorney General Ashley Moody and Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis, acting as the Florida Cabinet, approved the swap of 324 acres of the Withlacoochee State Forest on June 12 after no discussion. The move granted the state permission to determine that the land is “no longer needed for conservation purposes.” In return, Cabot Citrus agreed to give the state 861 acres of timberland in rural Levy County. The land swap still must be approved by a committee within Florida’s environmental agency called the Acquisition and Restoration Council. DeSantis has multiple appointees on that council. Video of the Cabinet meeting shows Florida Department of Environmental Protection head Shawn Hamilton read off a brief statement about the land exchange before the Cabinet approved the deal. Hamilton makes no mention of Cabot or that the land the state is exchanging is state forest. The revelations about the deal emerge as the state environmental agency finds itself mired in controversy about plans to make major changes to nine Florida state parks. The Tampa Bay Times reported Saturday that a veterans nonprofit called Folds of Honor had pitched the idea of a golf course on Jonathan Dickinson State Park to at least two county and state leaders, and had also previously met with DeSantis. By Sunday, the group behind the latest Jonathan Dickinson plans — which lists the same address as Folds of Honor — backed away from the proposal. Two Cabinet members, Simpson and Patronis, have both publicly opposed the new state park initiative. But both also approved the Hernando land swap deal in June. When asked why Simpson voted for the deal, his office sent a brief statement that noted he voted for “the possibility of a land exchange” that still requires a vote of the Acquisition and Restoration Council. That same council would have to approve any broader proposed changes to the nine Florida state parks. Simpson has two appointees on that council. Devin Galetta, a spokesperson for Patronis, said the land swap deal was a “conditional approval that ... would result in a net gain of protected lands.” The swap was also added to the Cabinet’s agenda at the last minute. Five days before the meeting, aides at a pre-meeting conference discussed every land deal except the one with Cabot Citrus. The land swap with Cabot Citrus was then added to the agenda through a process normally only used in extenuating circumstances, like approving items before a natural disaster, according to Barbara Petersen, executive director of the Florida Center for Government Accountability. “Agencies can also use it when they don’t want to give the public advanced notice of what they’re going to do,” Petersen told the Tampa Bay Times. Several observers said the land swap was unusual. Eric Draper, who served as the director of Florida’s state parks between 2017 and 2021, including under DeSantis, said giving up conservation land to expand a golf course is wrong. It also does not meet the voter-approved constitutional test of land being no longer needed for conservation, Draper said, nor was the public given adequate notice. “The Cabinet cannot get in the habit of swapping out valuable land for less-valuable land every time a developer shows up,” Draper said. “In this case, the approval was fast-tracked and the environmental merits were not carefully evaluated. No appraisals were presented.” The public land that would be given to Cabot Citrus is part of a contiguous wildlife corridor and was conserved to compensate for the environmental impacts of the Suncoast Parkway, Draper said. The land the company is offering in return is isolated from other conservation land, not on the state’s land acquisition wish list and not part of a wildlife corridor. “Unfortunately, it’s not uncommon for public and business interests to look at conservation lands and see ‘vacant’ land that they think would make a good location for another use. That’s why Florida has strong protections for its conservation lands, with a requirement that the state demonstrate that property is ‘no longer needed for conservation’ before it can be surplussed for other uses,” said Julie Wraithmell, executive director of Audubon Florida. “The item from the June Cabinet agenda did not include the detail needed to make this determination and no doubt there will need to be a lot more information provided before (the Acquisition and Restoration Council) could even begin to consider any proposal for this parcel,” Wraithmell said. When reached by phone Monday, a receptionist at Cabot Citrus Farms said the luxury golf resort offers two- and four-bedroom cottages and that the company plans to build homes along golf course fairways soon. Spokespeople for both the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and the governor’s office did not respond to requests for comment Monday. Cabot Citrus did not respond to requests for comment about the land swap, including voicemails left with its two Tallahassee lobbyists. One of those lobbyists is Sydney Ridley, daughter of Fred Ridley, the chairperson of the Augusta National Golf Club, which hosts the annual Masters Tournament. www.tampabay.com/news/environment/2024/08/26/desantis-state-park-golf-course-land-swap-withlacoochee-forest-brooksville-cabot/
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Post by stc1993 on Aug 27, 2024 11:32:13 GMT -5
They're trying to pull a fast one on the people of FL. It's not right. They must've greased their palms. Good find JR.
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Post by restlessnative on Aug 28, 2024 16:38:08 GMT -5
Just saw this little news blip (I'm not purporting it to be accurate, just what I saw):
This afternoon, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis announced that he had instructed the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) to rework plans to put golf courses, pickleball courts, and lodges on some state park land. He said, “It was not approved by me; I never saw it. They are going back to the drawing board.” Governor DeSantis said nothing will happen on the proposal this year and that he wants DEP to gather more public input before coming back with a new plan. The proposal, named the Great Oudoors Initiative , was introduced last week and faced significant bipartisan opposition.
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Post by conchydong on Aug 28, 2024 17:47:02 GMT -5
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Post by tonyroma on Aug 28, 2024 18:24:38 GMT -5
It will go away for a while, but they will keep trying. It’s nice to see people agree on some things.
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Post by JS84 on Aug 30, 2024 6:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by ferris1248 on Aug 30, 2024 11:05:45 GMT -5
"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) backed off Wednesday of what he referred to as a “half-baked” plan to place golf courses in state parks, according to multiple outlets." "At a press conference, DeSantis referred to “stuff” in the plan as being “half-baked” and “not ready for prime time,” according to the Miami Herald. He also said the plan had been “intentionally leaked out to a left-wing group to try to create a narrative.”"‘I mean, if people don’t want improvements, then don’t do it.” "According to the Herald, the plan received pushback from top Florida Republicans. People protested in parks all over Florida, and petitions against it received hundreds of thousands of signatures." news.yahoo.com/news/desantis-backs-off-half-baked-224209948.html#:~:text=Florida%20Gov.%20Ron%20DeSantis%20%28R%29%20backed%20off%20Wednesday,for%20prime%20time%2C%E2%80%9D%20according%20to%20the%20Miami%20Herald.
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Post by JS84 on Aug 30, 2024 11:19:34 GMT -5
Plausible
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Post by ferris1248 on Aug 30, 2024 11:28:32 GMT -5
I agree. Very much so. If it had not been leaked would all of these projects have been successfully shuffled though under the table? I suspect this tidbit was included to deflect attention away from DeSantis' knowledge of the deal and his influence in it getting as far as it did. It's what politicians do. Right and left.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2024 11:51:26 GMT -5
You guys keep getting political, I'm telling Cad. My shit would have done been moved, but I think he may be afraid of you.
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Post by ferris1248 on Aug 30, 2024 13:02:12 GMT -5
It's Josh's call.
If you recollect it is his personal site.
You really believe you are privileged. You're not.
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Post by tampaspicer on Aug 30, 2024 13:15:22 GMT -5
You guys keep getting political, I'm telling Cad. My shit would have done been moved, but I think he may be afraid of you. STFU cry baby snitch
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2024 13:16:12 GMT -5
It's Josh's call. If you recollect it is his personal site. You really believe you are privileged. You're not. You avoided the issue. Cad usually watches this like a hawk. Quit getting political just cause you can get by with it, that would be privileged.
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Post by ferris1248 on Aug 30, 2024 13:31:11 GMT -5
It's Josh's call. If you recollect it is his personal site. You really believe you are privileged. You're not. You avoided the issue. Cad usually watches this like a hawk. Quit getting political just cause you can get by with it, that would be privileged. It would take an idiot to think cad is going to interfere with what Josh wants to post on his own site. Oh! Wait a minute! I forgot who I was talking to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2024 13:41:56 GMT -5
You avoided the issue. Cad usually watches this like a hawk. Quit getting political just cause you can get by with it, that would be privileged. It would take an idiot to think cad is going to interfere with what Josh wants to post on his own site. Oh! Wait a minute! I forgot who I was talking to. You're not Josh. You are the one that went political. He just agreed with you. You should know this stuff.
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Post by ferris1248 on Aug 30, 2024 15:14:38 GMT -5
It would take an idiot to think cad is going to interfere with what Josh wants to post on his own site. Oh! Wait a minute! I forgot who I was talking to. You're not Josh. You are the one that went political. He just agreed with you. You should know this stuff. Why should I know? I'm just a participant over here. The rules are totally different.
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Post by JS84 on Aug 30, 2024 15:33:29 GMT -5
Some of yall are far more concerned about classification then I am.
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Post by conchydong on Aug 30, 2024 15:52:31 GMT -5
Most subjects are political to a degree but you have to draw a line somewhere. This issue is about what the people in Florida want as far as green spaces that their tax dollars pay for.
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Post by swampdog on Aug 30, 2024 16:04:34 GMT -5
Everywhere there’s a piece of “vacant” land, a developer has someone bird dogging the owners for a sale. Now some developers are chasing “vacant” state lands owned by the people of Florida and in the case of a National Forest owned by the people of the United States. This should really be against the law to swap the people's land to a private entity for a development.
Needs to be pursued by the State Attorneys Office.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2024 16:10:42 GMT -5
You're not Josh. You are the one that went political. He just agreed with you. You should know this stuff. Why should I know? I'm just a participant over here. The rules are totally different.Well, don't try to figure them out. I'll tell you when you are out of line.
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Post by ferris1248 on Aug 30, 2024 16:55:11 GMT -5
Why should I know? I'm just a participant over here. The rules are totally different.Well, don't try to figure them out. I'll tell you when you are out of line. You cant tell me shit. Only cad and Josh can tell me or anyone else here. You think you're special. You're not
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