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Post by cyclist on Aug 22, 2024 9:03:02 GMT -5
Don't remember any golf courses. Maybe a historical lodge or 2. There are plenty of golf courses on state parks all over the US. Different states may have different values...but the Florida State park system is a national model whose mission is conservation, preservation and passive resource based recreation. Its their mission statement that drives their goals. Golf courses is not one of them. |
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Post by tampaspicer on Aug 22, 2024 9:09:03 GMT -5
Why are all of the meetings on the same date and time for each park? Kind of hard to speak out for or against multiple parks with the way the meetings are setup.
Looks like they are going through with this regardless of what is said at the meetings.
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Post by JS84 on Aug 22, 2024 9:17:25 GMT -5
"The meetings will consist of a presentation and an opportunity for public comment, but with only an hour allotted, they do not appear to include a question-and-answer period."
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Post by madm002 on Aug 22, 2024 9:50:52 GMT -5
You did not answer the question... Instead you tried to deflect. and put me on the defensive... But I seldom ask a question I do not know the answer to...
I am not like Pete... And I seldom agree with him... But Pete comes from one of the greatest pioneer families of this state.... Knowing where Pete comes from... I have
often been puzzled by some of the bullshit pete talks about... But pete confuses his own family as well.....
I have come to realize that pete is the Idiotic poet laureate of his family.... He is the progressive idiot that once in a while speaks volumes of truth...
And this time... Pete is not only telling the truth... Not some idiotic poetic version of the truth... As he sees it.... But the real truth... And Facts bear his truth.....
There are already proposed significant changes to nine state parks... that the powers that be hoped to slip through with only a few days notice of public meetings..
Anastasia Island State Park - a 350 room lodge, four pickle ball courts and a disc golf course Hillsborough River State Park - Pickle ball courts and disc Golf Course
Jonathon Dickinson State Park - Public Golf Course
Dr. Von D. Mizell-Eula Johnson State Park - Pickle Ball Courts Oleta River State Park - Glamping... Yes... Glamping...Pickle ball courts and Disc Golf
Honeymoon Island State Park - Pickle Ball Courts
Camp Helen State Park - More Cabins (I have no issue with that) And Glamping.. yes Glamping... Again
Topsail Hill Preserve State Park - a 350 room lodge Pickle Ball courts and a Disc Golf Course
Grayton Beach State Park - Pickle Ball Courts and Disc Golf Course
And while Pete may be an idiotic Poet Laureate.... Well you are just a fucking idiot...
Why is Martin county singled out for this. There are so many other golf courses around including Sailfish Sands which is practically empty for 8 months out of the year. I golf alot. There are enough public options right now, or even semi-private that allow the public, we do not need more golf courses on public land. The Atlantic Field and Apogee developments are already egregious, albeit Apogee is going to be private. |
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Post by cyclist on Aug 22, 2024 10:06:19 GMT -5
You did not answer the question... Instead you tried to deflect. and put me on the defensive... But I seldom ask a question I do not know the answer to...
I am not like Pete... And I seldom agree with him... But Pete comes from one of the greatest pioneer families of this state.... Knowing where Pete comes from... I have
often been puzzled by some of the bullshit pete talks about... But pete confuses his own family as well.....
I have come to realize that pete is the Idiotic poet laureate of his family.... He is the progressive idiot that once in a while speaks volumes of truth...
And this time... Pete is not only telling the truth... Not some idiotic poetic version of the truth... As he sees it.... But the real truth... And Facts bear his truth.....
There are already proposed significant changes to nine state parks... that the powers that be hoped to slip through with only a few days notice of public meetings..
Anastasia Island State Park - a 350 room lodge, four pickle ball courts and a disc golf course Hillsborough River State Park - Pickle ball courts and disc Golf Course
Jonathon Dickinson State Park - Public Golf Course
Dr. Von D. Mizell-Eula Johnson State Park - Pickle Ball Courts Oleta River State Park - Glamping... Yes... Glamping...Pickle ball courts and Disc Golf
Honeymoon Island State Park - Pickle Ball Courts
Camp Helen State Park - More Cabins (I have no issue with that) And Glamping.. yes Glamping... Again
Topsail Hill Preserve State Park - a 350 room lodge Pickle Ball courts and a Disc Golf Course
Grayton Beach State Park - Pickle Ball Courts and Disc Golf Course
And while Pete may be an idiotic Poet Laureate.... Well you are just a fucking idiot...
Why is Martin county singled out for this. There are so many other golf courses around including Sailfish Sands which is practically empty for 8 months out of the year. I golf alot. There are enough public options right now, or even semi-private that allow the public, we do not need more golf courses on public land. The Atlantic Field and Apogee developments are already egregious, albeit Apogee is going to be private. I'm telling you its desatinist trying to benefit some buds on his way out the door. |
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Post by anumber1 on Aug 22, 2024 10:20:51 GMT -5
There are plenty of golf courses on state parks all over the US. Different states may have different values...but the Florida State park system is a national model whose mission is conservation, preservation and passive resource based recreation. Its their mission statement that drives their goals. Golf courses is not one of them. they don't preserve shit where I live, they don't burn and spray very little for pepper trees. When this area was privately owned the hammocks were in much better shape and burns were conducted every spring. |
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Post by cyclist on Aug 22, 2024 10:33:45 GMT -5
Different states may have different values...but the Florida State park system is a national model whose mission is conservation, preservation and passive resource based recreation. Its their mission statement that drives their goals. Golf courses is not one of them. they don't preserve shit where I live, they don't burn and spray very little for pepper trees. When this area was privately owned the hammocks were in much better shape and burns were conducted every spring. Name the parks that have issues. I attend 5 and 10 year management plan meetings...2 day events with field surveys and ranking of success for every management item. I will try an attend the next meeting, and you can too. Sometimes its a fine line to thread. You can't score a park low on exotic removal if they don't have the funding or man power. But I do run into managers that don't get things done with the resources they have. |
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Post by cyclist on Aug 22, 2024 10:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by olmucky on Aug 22, 2024 10:59:37 GMT -5
Let’s not forget which party gave us miami wpb Ft. Lauderdale and the demise of a huge chunk of the Everglades as we know it in the name of profit and progress
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Post by JS84 on Aug 22, 2024 12:59:15 GMT -5
One of the few times we're going to have hunters, hikers, birders, horse folk, etc all in agreeance.
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Post by swampdog on Aug 22, 2024 16:19:29 GMT -5
I’m thinking some new “outdoors” lovers visited some of the targeted parks and didn’t like the noisy owls, mosquitoes and boring quiet. They had to do without some of the comforts, yet want to be “cool outdoors lovers”, so have gained the ear of our law makers and the governor himself. Because they are of the wealthy influencer types, they’re bound to get their wishes. It’s a sad day for the environment and especially these parks.
I’ve seen folks find and begin to use some of the secluded island communities, and state all that’s needed are folks that can deliver groceries, ice, remove their trash and transport them back and forth. They tout the seclusion, the scenic beauty and enjoyment of the scenic views, then lazily want the changes they live with daily back home.
Terrible idea! I sure wish our governor cared about all constituents and not just the ones that contributed campaign dollars.
PS: feel free to edit, delete or post in the political forum if necessary. I just needed to vent.
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Post by walkerdog on Aug 23, 2024 7:29:51 GMT -5
they don't preserve shit where I live, they don't burn and spray very little for pepper trees. When this area was privately owned the hammocks were in much better shape and burns were conducted every spring. Name the parks that have issues. I attend 5 and 10 year management plan meetings...2 day events with field surveys and ranking of success for every management item. I will try an attend the next meeting, and you can too. Sometimes its a fine line to thread. You can't score a park low on exotic removal if they don't have the funding or man power. But I do run into managers that don't get things done with the resources they have. I’ve participated in a number of these reviews over the years as well. You CAN score the area low, if management is not sufficiently controlling exotics for ANY reason….. including lack of funding. The field review is not an exercise that measures the manager. It only measures the management that has occurred. Receiving a low score for lack of achieving the goal can help increase future funding. |
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Post by cyclist on Aug 23, 2024 7:38:00 GMT -5
Name the parks that have issues. I attend 5 and 10 year management plan meetings...2 day events with field surveys and ranking of success for every management item. I will try an attend the next meeting, and you can too. Sometimes its a fine line to thread. You can't score a park low on exotic removal if they don't have the funding or man power. But I do run into managers that don't get things done with the resources they have. I’ve participated in a number of these reviews over the years as well. You CAN score the area low, if management is not sufficiently controlling exotics for ANY reason….. including lack of funding. The field review is not an exercise that measures the manager. It only measures the management that has occurred. Receiving a low score for lack of achieving the goal can help increase future funding. There is also a section to score or discuss funding and staffing issues. Some great managers do a lot with little. Ultimately the scoring reflects on the managers. |
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Post by walkerdog on Aug 23, 2024 7:55:25 GMT -5
Or the manager’s managers in Tallahassee.
If it’s not happening, it should receive a low score. Otherwise nothing changes.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 23, 2024 8:21:59 GMT -5
Or the manager’s managers in Tallahassee. If it’s not happening, it should receive a low score. Otherwise nothing changes. I agree and may not have explained myself well. It will get a low score but in the suggestion or improvement sections the low score will be discussed not as a managers failure but as a funding or staffing issue. |
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Post by swampdog on Aug 23, 2024 9:00:53 GMT -5
I’m wondering how the domestic wastewater treatment will be handled for these developments. I’m assuming it will be somewhat case-by-case, but wastewater treated will need to be assimilated back into the environment.
Another thing will be the need to provide housing for all the service labor jobs. There seems to be somewhat of a shortage to some restaurant and housekeeping positions.
In the far south, there’s a difficulty providing affordable housing.
The only money makers that will benefit are the cabin/condo booking services and the companies that provide the vendors to run the developments. I guess the FB YouTube crowds will have some new content they can sell.
My eternal optimism is waning.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 23, 2024 9:07:02 GMT -5
None of these dumb proposals will see the light of day.
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Post by olmucky on Aug 23, 2024 9:13:26 GMT -5
I have a great idea. All the folks that benefitted from florida (not singling anyone on here out), land, cattle, home on the intercoastal, condo on the beach, a timber company, an employee of the state, a resource based Business. If you or your family or your wifes family, anyone who benefitted from the development of FL, you take that land/property and put it in a trust. Maybe let the Audubon Society or Natures conservancy run it. Something like that.
Raze your house whether it’s in a subdivision, on a canal, lake, etc . Plant mangroves if it was on a canal. Inland, plant native grasses, dig a pond where the house stood (your taxes would be reduced of course) If you have vast land expanses, you’re to plant native pines, live oaks etc. Maybe if you’re in S Fl your house can be replaced with dade county pines! State employees would need to give up their pensions they benefitted from; between those monies and property taxes it can go to undrain the Everglades. Pay to have all that dredging reversed.
Its really the right thing to do. I mean you got yours right? Time to pass it on. I haven’t figured out what the right thing to do about where we can live though. Maybe go back native like the people we stole the land from. I know the Miccosukee make a badass hut. Start farming pumpkins and gourds like the Timucua. Ahh its good to be pompous.
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Post by Captj on Aug 23, 2024 9:38:39 GMT -5
Growing up in Miami I could fish and go shooting in the woods just about anywhere I wanted to. We had fishing piers, seawalls, canals and lakes all open to our use as kids. Why can't the state spend some of OUR resources to create more public access for neighborhood recreation as opposed to resorts being built where they don't belong? It's all about the money now. Very sad.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 23, 2024 11:13:42 GMT -5
I have a great idea. All the folks that benefitted from florida (not singling anyone on here out), land, cattle, home on the intercoastal, condo on the beach, a timber company, an employee of the state, a resource based Business. If you or your family or your wifes family, anyone who benefitted from the development of FL, you take that land/property and put it in a trust. Maybe let the Audubon Society or Natures conservancy run it. Something like that. Raze your house whether it’s in a subdivision, on a canal, lake, etc . Plant mangroves if it was on a canal. Inland, plant native grasses, dig a pond where the house stood (your taxes would be reduced of course) If you have vast land expanses, you’re to plant native pines, live oaks etc. Maybe if you’re in S Fl your house can be replaced with dade county pines! State employees would need to give up their pensions they benefitted from; between those monies and property taxes it can go to undrain the Everglades. Pay to have all that dredging reversed. Its really the right thing to do. I mean you got yours right? Time to pass it on. I haven’t figured out what the right thing to do about where we can live though. Maybe go back native like the people we stole the land from. I know the Miccosukee make a badass hut. Start farming pumpkins and gourds like the Timucua. Ahh its good to be pompous. What a silly thing to say. |
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Post by olmucky on Aug 23, 2024 22:02:49 GMT -5
Wonder how they feel now
“Audubon has been pleased with Secretary Hamilton’s interim leadership and we are glad to see his role made permanent,” said Julie Wraithmell, Executive Director of Audubon Florida. “Not only does he bring long experience at regional and state levels of DEP, but his background spans DEP priorities from regulatory oversight to state land management. DEP is a big agency with big responsibilities and we’re glad to see someone with Shawn’s talents and experience chosen for the role.”
“We are excited that fellow outdoorsman Shawn Hamilton has been made permanent Secretary of the Florida Department of Environmental Protection,” said Captain Daniel Andrews, Co-Founder & Executive Director of Captains for Clean Water. “We look forward to working with Secretary Hamilton to restore and protect Florida’s aquatic ecosystems for the use and enjoyment of all.”
“The Nature Conservancy in Florida gives its full support to interim Secretary Shawn Hamilton as the permanent Secretary of the Florida Department of Environmental Protection,” said Temperince Morgan, Executive Director, The Nature Conservancy in Florida. “Secretary Hamilton demonstrates a true understanding of the science and data that facilitates sound conservation principles for all Floridians. We have a decades-long relationship with DEP and look forward to the future and innovative implementation of conservation that benefits our residents, our visitors, our economy, and our environment.”
“We applaud the appointment of Shawn Hamilton as Secretary of Florida Department of Environmental Protection,” said Dawn Shirreffs, Florida Director of the Environmental Defense Fund. “Shawn’s tenured service at DEP and tireless commitment to the protection of Florida’s natural resources will serve the Sunshine State well as we face climate change, water quality and other challenges. We look forward to continuing to work with Secretary Hamilton on solutions for our environment and economy.”
“I have had the opportunity to work closely with Shawn and am confident he is the right choice for this position,” said Eric Sutton, Executive Director of Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. “Shawn is a natural leader with strong communications skills. He uses his years of experience along with listening to stakeholders and experts to make quality decisions, and I look forward to our continued work together.”
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Post by olmucky on Aug 24, 2024 7:40:38 GMT -5
I have a great idea. All the folks that benefitted from florida (not singling anyone on here out), land, cattle, home on the intercoastal, condo on the beach, a timber company, an employee of the state, a resource based Business. If you or your family or your wifes family, anyone who benefitted from the development of FL, you take that land/property and put it in a trust. Maybe let the Audubon Society or Natures conservancy run it. Something like that. Raze your house whether it’s in a subdivision, on a canal, lake, etc . Plant mangroves if it was on a canal. Inland, plant native grasses, dig a pond where the house stood (your taxes would be reduced of course) If you have vast land expanses, you’re to plant native pines, live oaks etc. Maybe if you’re in S Fl your house can be replaced with dade county pines! State employees would need to give up their pensions they benefitted from; between those monies and property taxes it can go to undrain the Everglades. Pay to have all that dredging reversed. Its really the right thing to do. I mean you got yours right? Time to pass it on. I haven’t figured out what the right thing to do about where we can live though. Maybe go back native like the people we stole the land from. I know the Miccosukee make a badass hut. Start farming pumpkins and gourds like the Timucua. Ahh its good to be pompous. What a silly thing to say. Second - Please tone down the childish playground insults. You sound like a bunch of immature 12 year olds instead of grown men. I know most of you are just having fun, but a few seem to have taken things a little too personal. Tone it down and act your age. |
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Post by cadman on Aug 24, 2024 7:46:38 GMT -5
Some of you guys might want to read Josh's latest post under the insults topic.
Lets try to discuss the topic and not get personal.
Thank you
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Post by olmucky on Aug 24, 2024 7:51:30 GMT -5
Some of you guys might want to read Josh's latest post under the insults topic. Lets try to discuss the topic and not get personal. Thank you Thanks for the fix cad. You’re a standup guy in my book! |
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Post by anumber1 on Aug 24, 2024 8:12:20 GMT -5
One of the few times we're going to have hunters, hikers, birders, horse folk, etc all in agreeance. this hunter is meh. They don't open them for us and all the hikers, birdwatchers, and horse whackos burn us every chsnce they get. Is it a bad ideA? Sure. |
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Post by anumber1 on Aug 24, 2024 8:16:42 GMT -5
they don't preserve shit where I live, they don't burn and spray very little for pepper trees. When this area was privately owned the hammocks were in much better shape and burns were conducted every spring. Name the parks that have issues. I attend 5 and 10 year management plan meetings...2 day events with field surveys and ranking of success for every management item. I will try an attend the next meeting, and you can too. Sometimes its a fine line to thread. You can't score a park low on exotic removal if they don't have the funding or man power. But I do run into managers that don't get things done with the resources they have. crystal river state buffer preserve. They spend a lot repaving the walkways at the indian mounds but nothing on exotics or controled burns. |
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Post by nikonoclast on Aug 24, 2024 9:52:41 GMT -5
Two 18 hole and one nine hole golf courses at Jonathan Dickinson State Park. Where is the water coming from to keep them Green? Who will buy the mowers, much less do the maintenance? Jose' ? If they did a natural, "links" type course, that's fine ... whack away. One big 18 hole sand-bunker will sharpen-up your short game! |
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Post by olmucky on Aug 24, 2024 10:17:07 GMT -5
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Post by JS84 on Aug 24, 2024 10:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by olmucky on Aug 24, 2024 10:43:26 GMT -5
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