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Post by tonyroma on Jul 20, 2024 12:51:45 GMT -5
Vance is a Chameleon. He will do and say whatever it takes to be president. Everybody loves a flip flopper.
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Post by toldya on Jul 20, 2024 12:58:20 GMT -5
Vance is a Chameleon. He will do and say whatever it takes to be president. Everybody loves a flip flopper. Isn't that what a candidate is suppose to do. The right says and does the right things though.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 20, 2024 13:00:28 GMT -5
Vance is a Chameleon. He will do and say whatever it takes to be president. Everybody loves a flip flopper. Who among us hasn't casually changed our views on Hitler for political expediency?
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 20, 2024 13:05:22 GMT -5
Trump is Hitler. Oh wait he’s super popular again. Trump is the savior of the nation sent down from god.
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Post by nuevowavo on Jul 20, 2024 13:36:31 GMT -5
Higher tariffs equal higher prices on goods , throwing logs on the inflation fire. That isnt how it works.
Still waiting to hear how it works.
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 20, 2024 13:40:20 GMT -5
Same
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Post by toldya on Jul 20, 2024 13:52:25 GMT -5
Not interested
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 23, 2024 21:46:11 GMT -5
At first I thought Vance was a smart pick. But upon further review what does he add to the ticket besides youth. Ohio is already a red state so no bump there. Most rust belt white working class voters are already voting for Trump. Pubs help me out, is he pulling in undecided and moderates. Why him? Marco, Scott, Stafanic, Gabby?
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 23, 2024 22:17:13 GMT -5
At first I thought Vance was a smart pick. But upon further review what does he add to the ticket besides youth. Ohio is already a red state so no bump there. Most rust belt white working class voters are already voting for Trump. Pubs help me out, is he pulling in undecided and moderates. Why him? Marco, Scott, Stafanic, Gabby? I don’t think that the idea is that Vance helps Trump win. Its that Vance helps MAGA reign supreme over the Republican party if Trump does win. Vance is seen as the generation and faction that’s going to take MAGA over when Trump’s gone. He’s the future. That’s why I say Trump isn’t the one you have to watch out for. If Trump wins, he’ll do his thing for 4 years and that will be it. Someone young and smart like Vance, on the other hand, is going to be around for a long time.
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Post by toldya on Jul 23, 2024 22:19:28 GMT -5
At first I thought Vance was a smart pick. But upon further review what does he add to the ticket besides youth. Ohio is already a red state so no bump there. Most rust belt white working class voters are already voting for Trump. Pubs help me out, is he pulling in undecided and moderates. Why him? Marco, Scott, Stafanic, Gabby? Probably a cost savings thing. Vance has the same last 3 letters in his name as Pence. Modify and use that leftover shit up. We don't need no new signs.
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 23, 2024 22:50:17 GMT -5
At first I thought Vance was a smart pick. But upon further review what does he add to the ticket besides youth. Ohio is already a red state so no bump there. Most rust belt white working class voters are already voting for Trump. Pubs help me out, is he pulling in undecided and moderates. Why him? Marco, Scott, Stafanic, Gabby? I don’t think that the idea is that Vance helps Trump win. It’s that Vance helps MAGA reign supreme over the Republican party if Trump does win. Vance is seen as the generation and faction that’s going to take MAGA over when Trump’s gone. He’s the future. That’s why I say Trump isn’t the one you have to watch out for. If Trump wins, he’ll do his thing for 4 years and that will be it. Someone young and smart like Vance, on the other hand, is going to be around for a long time. So legacy not particularly strategic.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 23, 2024 23:11:12 GMT -5
I don’t think that the idea is that Vance helps Trump win. It’s that Vance helps MAGA reign supreme over the Republican party if Trump does win. Vance is seen as the generation and faction that’s going to take MAGA over when Trump’s gone. He’s the future. That’s why I say Trump isn’t the one you have to watch out for. If Trump wins, he’ll do his thing for 4 years and that will be it. Someone young and smart like Vance, on the other hand, is going to be around for a long time. So legacy not particularly strategic. Not strategic for winning the election, no. More strategic for what comes afterward if he wins. Trump already won an election. Winning the election isn’t the hard part for him. He has good instincts for appealing who he needs to in order to win. Welding the power afterward is where he utterly failed overall in his first term. He cannot accomplish much unless he totally owns the Republican party from top to bottom. He’s betting that Vance will be not just his legacy but also one of his enforcers in the Party. Then he has to weld the Party like a weapon against the Washington establishment. All assuming the truth of some of my pet theories such as: 1. People become their stereotypes as defined by their enemies. 2. Trump is Dracula.
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 23, 2024 23:39:49 GMT -5
So legacy not particularly strategic. Not strategic for winning the election, no. More strategic for what comes afterward if he wins. Trump already won an election. Winning the election isn’t the hard part for him. He has good instincts for appealing who he needs to in order to win. Welding the power afterward is where he utterly failed overall in his first term. He cannot accomplish much unless he totally owns the Republican party from top to bottom. He’s betting that Vance will be not just his legacy but also one of his enforcers in the Party. Then he has to weld the Party like a weapon against the Washington establishment. All assuming the truth of some of my pet theories such as: 1. People become their stereotypes as defined by their enemies. 2. Trump is Dracula. Well you gotta win before you can take on the establishment, down ticket as well. I’m not sure Vance is getting him closer to the first mentioned goal.
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Post by dragonbait on Jul 24, 2024 5:59:55 GMT -5
Trump is Hitler. Oh wait he’s super popular again. Trump is the savior of the nation sent down from god. What Vance is saying is “Hitlers a good guy”
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Post by cadman on Jul 24, 2024 7:49:52 GMT -5
Not strategic for winning the election, no. More strategic for what comes afterward if he wins. Trump already won an election. Winning the election isn’t the hard part for him. He has good instincts for appealing who he needs to in order to win. Welding the power afterward is where he utterly failed overall in his first term. He cannot accomplish much unless he totally owns the Republican party from top to bottom. He’s betting that Vance will be not just his legacy but also one of his enforcers in the Party. Then he has to weld the Party like a weapon against the Washington establishment. All assuming the truth of some of my pet theories such as: 1. People become their stereotypes as defined by their enemies. 2. Trump is Dracula. Well you gotta win before you can take on the establishment, down ticket as well. I’m not sure Vance is getting him closer to the first mentioned goal. Read this morning that Harris has narrowed down her VP pick to Senator Kelly of Arkansas and Governor Josh Shapiro o Pennsylvania. Both are very valuable to win the election. Shapiro would give her Pennsylvania and 19 delegates in a battleground state. I think Trump sees loyalty in Vance, but he does nothing to increase the chances of winning. But at the time, with Biden as his opponent, Trump likely thought he didn't need any help from a future VP pick. He was coasting to victory. I bet if he could make that choice now, Vance would not be his selection.
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