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Post by nikonoclast on Jun 21, 2024 14:59:40 GMT -5
It's common knowledge how the system works.
There's very little wiggle-room in any direction.
Before trial, the accused knows the charges, and the evidence.
In the interest of economy and brevity, prosecutors make an offer.
Counsel for the accused has the option to make a counter-offer.
It might work out, it might not, but the basic rules remains the same.
It is understood, by everyone involved, that losing at trial will be worse.
In a slam-dunk case, only a total nut-bar will opt for a trial.
In this case, Donald J. Trump was offered a plea deal for Misdemeanors.
Whatever the parameters of the offer, it was the "usual & customary" number.
Donald J. Trump is, evidently, unable to admit to any fault or mistake, of any kind, ever.
That's just tough. My heart goes out to him, ... his own worst enemy.
His attorneys could have asked that the jury consider misdemeanors instead of felonies.
Why didn't they? Their client insisted otherwise, and cooked his own goose.
So, here's the question: How Many Days In Jail?
First and foremost: 60-90 days in Rikers Island for Contempt of Court.
Donald J. Trump did his best to make a mockery of the proceedings.
He will pay the price, ... no appeal, no delay, bye-bye.
His sentence for the felony convictions will be at least 3 years.
Imposition of the sentence will be deferred for six months, and the gag order kept in place.
( Putting off the question of an appeal bond for later. )
The court will retain jurisdiction over Mr. Trumps mouth until after the election.
Anyone with a better guess, based on the law, and prior rulings in New York, is welcome to try.
Any who would push "immunity" hooey, or a cocktail menu of excuses, is also free to vent.
The crazier the better ... we could use a few laughs.
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Post by Tarponator on Jun 21, 2024 15:51:34 GMT -5
Lock him up?
As much as it pains me to say, I think he gets off with probation as a first time offender in a non-violent crime.
So my answer is 0.
He's still a felon, and I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 21, 2024 15:58:38 GMT -5
When was Trump offered a plea to misdemeanors?
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Post by Tarponator on Jun 21, 2024 16:01:10 GMT -5
Good question.
That would be news to me, FWIW.
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Post by nikonoclast on Jun 21, 2024 18:42:53 GMT -5
When was Trump offered a plea to misdemeanors? The plea stage was probably last year, early in the proceedings. I believe it was mentioned by a former #2 in the NY prosecutors office. ( as "standard procedure" in similar cases ) Given the attitude of the "grifter in-chief", it might not have been put into writing. His attorneys would have said so from the get-go, with no upside to dragging it out. Of course, they could have changed the decision at any time prior to the jury deliberations. They could have asked that misdemeanors be considered instead of felonies. They did not do it. It was no mistake on their part. It was what their client wanted. Trump is delusional. He believes an appellate court will toss the case. The chances of that happening are quite slim. His legal bills, however, will be thick.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 21, 2024 19:32:23 GMT -5
I can’t find any articles that mentioned a plea offer. It would have likely been national news if Trump was offered a plea and there should be a court record to that effect.
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Post by nikonoclast on Jun 21, 2024 20:16:58 GMT -5
I can’t find any articles that mentioned a plea offer. It would have likely been national news if Trump was offered a plea and there should be a court record to that effect. An offer made, and not accepted, would leave no record. There would be nothing to file. It's possible it was made verbally. Attorney to attorney ... business as usual.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 21, 2024 20:37:49 GMT -5
I can’t find any articles that mentioned a plea offer. It would have likely been national news if Trump was offered a plea and there should be a court record to that effect. An offer made, and not accepted, would leave no record. There would be nothing to file. It's possible it was made verbally. Attorney to attorney ... business as usual. Not so. Favorable pleas and their rejections are usually put on the record so the Defendant cannot later say they were never made aware of the offer.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 21, 2024 20:56:49 GMT -5
Excepting a plea would give the perception of guilt. That would be admitting to fucking the porn star while he was married. No way Trump would do that.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 21, 2024 21:42:16 GMT -5
Excepting a plea would give the perception of guilt. That would be admitting to fucking the porn star while he was married. No way Trump would do that. I’m more interested if they ever offered one. Right now the evidence would indicate they did not.
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Post by Captj on Jun 22, 2024 5:45:51 GMT -5
Trump won't get any jail time. But if he did his three cultists on this site would shit their pants.
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Post by cadman on Jun 22, 2024 8:01:50 GMT -5
Trump will not get any jail time, just a fine and probation.
As far as I know, Trump was not offered a plea deal in this case or any of his other cases. He hasn't asked for one either. There were a lot of rumors that his attorneys had suggested discussing one with him, but that is all I read.
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Post by bridgeman213 on Jun 22, 2024 8:03:53 GMT -5
Call me what you want but can anyone tell me the political affiliations of the judge, prosecuting attorney(s) and each of the jury members?? Thought you are entitled to a fair trial in this country not the far left shit show kangaroo court he was subjected to. Did the man do wrong? YES! Did others do way way worse and get nothing? ABSOLUTELY! I truly believe he scares the livin hell out of a huge number of political elites that control this country that are pushing an agenda that systematically weakens us. Senile ol'Joe is nothing but a diaper loading invalid. If he isn't watched constantly he'll wonder off into traffic.
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Post by cyclist on Jun 22, 2024 8:32:09 GMT -5
Call me what you want but can anyone tell me the political affiliations of the judge, prosecuting attorney(s) and each of the jury members?? Thought you are entitled to a fair trial in this country not the far left shit show kangaroo court he was subjected to. Did the man do wrong? YES! Did others do way way worse and get nothing? ABSOLUTELY! I truly believe he scares the livin hell out of a huge number of political elites that control this country that are pushing an agenda that systematically weakens us. Senile ol'Joe is nothing but a diaper loading invalid. If he isn't watched constantly he'll wonder off into traffic. Bidens old and trump is old and a demented, nonsensical, traitor, felon, sexual offender and the leader of a cultist group of brain dead morons.
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Post by bridgeman213 on Jun 22, 2024 9:03:15 GMT -5
Cultist group of braindead morons that cling to their guns, God, the constitution and clean moral values. I'm an absolute sicko FJB
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