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Post by mapper on Jun 13, 2024 9:18:56 GMT -5
Well progressive rates on installments was a solid bend over, use the cosmoline and oyster shells..
All-State is 22%..
So it seems like insurance companies are seeing this as a way to increase profits.
Now I can't really complain about homeowners rate..even with the 22% optional installment fee.
Flo and Co I think they are about 35-40% it seemed..it was more than a subliminal message to pay in full.. (auto, rv,boat)
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Post by cadman on Jun 13, 2024 9:42:13 GMT -5
Well progressive rates on installments was a solid bend over, use the cosmoline and oyster shells..
All-State is 22%..
So it seems like insurance companies are seeing this as a way to increase profits.
Now I can't really complain about homeowners rate..even with the 22% optional installment fee.
Flo and Co I think they are about 35-40% it seemed..it was more than a subliminal message to pay in full.. (auto, rv,boat)
Homeowners does a quarterly plan for free with State Farm. The vehicles are paid every 6 months with a 15% paid in full discount on a yearly policy through Auto Owners. If you want to go to monthly payments, I think they finance through a finance company and get their money up front. I have never financed it monthly.
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Post by mapper on Jun 13, 2024 10:04:06 GMT -5
I usually pay in full, just seeing the trend of increasing installment rates.
Now I do feel that Flo isn't that friendly to auto rates..for my exposure. I can't complain about the rv/boat.
Now I do wonder if the insurance rates are based by the pound on the truck like the registration is.. hmm..
The new york lighthouse definitely wasn't friendly on auto. Flo saved enough to cover the boats and rv costs a lot to run a lighthouse I guess
The key to the castle outfit has good rates on castle insurance, I don't want to change that.. it is about twice what rv and boat is..
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Post by tampaspicer on Jun 13, 2024 11:03:35 GMT -5
Ours went from $1500 to $2300 this year. They just keep bending us over the barrel. We have some friends and theirs went from around $5000 to almost $10000. Fucking crazy
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Post by mackeralsnatcher on Jun 13, 2024 11:06:48 GMT -5
My homeowners went up 32% Auto went up 15% You call and ask what can they do to help you out and you get the same answer...."Raise your deductible"
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Post by mapper on Jun 13, 2024 11:11:23 GMT -5
My auto is 1k$ more than homeowners if you can believe that..
'19 f 350, 07 family truckster..and you know they will just total the truckster out if anything happens.
I thought the answer they gave when asked what could they do to help you out was " we can use sand instead of crushed oyster shells if you prefer" we won't switch from cosmoline though.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 13, 2024 11:35:38 GMT -5
Thank Morgan and Morgan
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Post by madm002 on Jun 13, 2024 11:44:11 GMT -5
My homeowners went up 32% Auto went up 15% You call and ask what can they do to help you out and you get the same answer...."Raise your deductible" You can also sign an agreement to agree to mediation in all claims for a discount with some firms. Like 15%. I told them no way
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Post by cadman on Jun 13, 2024 16:13:22 GMT -5
I usually pay in full, just seeing the trend of increasing installment rates. Now I do feel that Flo isn't that friendly to auto rates..for my exposure. I can't complain about the rv/boat. Now I do wonder if the insurance rates are based by the pound on the truck like the registration is.. hmm.. The new york lighthouse definitely wasn't friendly on auto. Flo saved enough to cover the boats and rv costs a lot to run a lighthouse I guess The key to the castle outfit has good rates on castle insurance, I don't want to change that.. it is about twice what rv and boat is.. My boat was with Progressive because the price was cheap. Only thing they ever insured of mine.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 13, 2024 18:26:19 GMT -5
Florida must be a high cost state. Truck insurance is $250 every six months, it is only liability though. The airplane($100K Hull) has hovered around $1850/yr for 4 years. For a retract that is pretty good. I think the home is around $1200/yr.
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Post by cadman on Jun 13, 2024 18:51:20 GMT -5
Florida must be a high cost state. Truck insurance is $250 every six months, it is only liability though. The airplane($100K Hull) has hovered around $1850/yr for 4 years. For a retract that is pretty good. I think the home is around $1200/yr. My truck is $470 every six months for full coverage and $100,000 $300,000 coverage with $10,000 PIP and medical, road side, and rental car.
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Post by 1outlaw on Jun 14, 2024 11:04:43 GMT -5
State farm has all of our policies. Everything is paid in full. When i had more generic boats progressive was always cheaper. Current boat is a 100+ MPH boat and most wont touch it. State farm had no issue with the speed. None of our policies went up this year except homeowners (about a grand) and my wife was in a car accident that was her fault. I got nothing to bitch about.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 15, 2024 20:10:51 GMT -5
Florida must be a high cost state. Truck insurance is $250 every six months, it is only liability though. The airplane($100K Hull) has hovered around $1850/yr for 4 years. For a retract that is pretty good. I think the home is around $1200/yr. My truck is $470 every six months for full coverage and $100,000 $300,000 coverage with $10,000 PIP and medical, road side, and rental car. Thats pretty good, what year truck? I have no other vehicles or property on the policy and that is the newest rate. It had been running about $205.
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Post by cadman on Jun 15, 2024 20:23:20 GMT -5
My truck is $470 every six months for full coverage and $100,000 $300,000 coverage with $10,000 PIP and medical, road side, and rental car. Thats pretty good, what year truck? I have no other vehicles or property on the policy and that is the newest rate. It had been running about $205. 2007 Dodge Ram. They did my business insurance until I sold the stores.
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Post by mapper on Jun 17, 2024 12:52:49 GMT -5
The lizard was a cheaper quote, but no comp or collision on wifemobile. I'll have agent shop auto owners. She mumbled something about rv policy on auto might save as well. But it wouldn't cover towing so it may or may not be any savings over Flo and company. I told her to check.. She said auto rates are about 3rd highest in nation due to frivolity and fraud and ambulance chasing. Now if I can squeeze some kind of discount for that ravelco.. Yes it's a thing that trucks go missing and are hacked into..not in my area as much.. but I don't want that nightmare if it's avoidable. Hence ravelco..
Castle and boat insurance will stay where it is.
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Post by Mango Man on Jun 17, 2024 17:41:02 GMT -5
Our last progressive bill for 6 mos on the 2 cars was $1300. If we wanted to do installments it was +$500 freaking crooks.
In so many areas costs are spiralling out of control, justb makes one wonder what will take place when that point comes.
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Post by swampdog on Jun 18, 2024 9:32:13 GMT -5
I have some friends that don’t carry home insurance. Their thought is if it blows away, burns up, or floods they’ll rebuild or sell the property. An old uncle wouldn’t leave his ranch house because he wanted to be around to take care of it, plus the livestock he didn’t want to leave unattended. (May have been an excuse to not vacation unless it was to Biloxi.)
Some of my very well off friends are self insured or just don’t worry about the high rates charged.
I believe the insurance companies first response when a customer has a claim, is to explain the fine print in the policy on page 86 of 129, why that event isn’t a covered loss. I have a friend that worked in the industry for a couple of the top carriers that is making a great living fighting for folks the insurance companies refuses to pay out claims too or to greatly underpay/estimate the damage.
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Post by mapper on Jun 18, 2024 11:33:48 GMT -5
I put more faith in my McAgent to shop it out. It's not a political post, it's about the insanity of insurance rates..
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Post by cadman on Jun 18, 2024 12:56:43 GMT -5
I removed the political references. You are correct, it was not political until a certain person had to take it there, so I eliminated the reference. They can start a topic in politics if they wish to discuss that aspect.
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Post by cadman on Jun 18, 2024 13:02:14 GMT -5
I have some friends that don’t carry home insurance. Their thought is if it blows away, burns up, or floods they’ll rebuild or sell the property. An old uncle wouldn’t leave his ranch house because he wanted to be around to take care of it, plus the livestock he didn’t want to leave unattended. (May have been an excuse to not vacation unless it was to Biloxi.) Some of my very well off friends are self insured or just don’t worry about the high rates charged. I believe the insurance companies first response when a customer has a claim, is to explain the fine print in the policy on page 86 of 129, why that event isn’t a covered loss. I have a friend that worked in the industry for a couple of the top carriers that is making a great living fighting for folks the insurance companies refuses to pay out claims too or to greatly underpay/estimate the damage. Only claim I ever made on my business policy got that exact response. The fine print on some page that they said made it an uncovered loss. As an attorney told me a long time ago, insurance companies are in the business of making money, not paying claims.
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Post by misterjr on Jun 18, 2024 14:31:16 GMT -5
Insurance companies are closely regulated in Florida by The Office of Insurance Regulation. If you have felt or have proof the insurance company denied a claim that should have been covered report to the OIR and they will investigate.
Insurance fraud in FL is one of the major reasons Florida auto rates are so high. Call Morgan and Morgan.
Your insurance policy is a contract. If you want to know what is covered and what is not, read it.
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Post by misterjr on Jun 18, 2024 14:33:14 GMT -5
I have some friends that don’t carry home insurance. Their thought is if it blows away, burns up, or floods they’ll rebuild or sell the property. An old uncle wouldn’t leave his ranch house because he wanted to be around to take care of it, plus the livestock he didn’t want to leave unattended. (May have been an excuse to not vacation unless it was to Biloxi.) Some of my very well off friends are self insured or just don’t worry about the high rates charged. I believe the insurance companies first response when a customer has a claim, is to explain the fine print in the policy on page 86 of 129, why that event isn’t a covered loss. I have a friend that worked in the industry for a couple of the top carriers that is making a great living fighting for folks the insurance companies refuses to pay out claims too or to greatly underpay/estimate the damage. Only claim I ever made on my business policy got that exact response. The fine print on some page that they said made it an uncovered loss. As an attorney told me a long time ago, insurance companies are in the business of making money, not paying claims. Of course they are in the business to make money, why else would they exist?
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Post by swampdog on Jun 18, 2024 20:18:04 GMT -5
One of the problems I have, is that insurance purposely uses sentence structure and statements that cover themselves and not their clients. The policies should be absolutely clear and easy to understand. 80% of insurance customers do not read their policies. I believe the best description of a policy is “obfuscation”. The best one is Hurricane coverage. The fine print says it doesn’t cover water damage caused by flooding from roof damage. The water damage has to be caused by water that came in through the ground. Then there was the time they wanted us to purchase flood insurance on a new home we were buying. I checked all the flood elevations before choosing to buy the property and bought the home because the lot had been filled to ensure the house wouldn’t flood. They wanted to charge us for something we didn’t need. I had to hire a professional environmental engineer to certify the property wasn’t in a flood zone. The company never was able to add flood coverage which saved us a lot of money.
A humorous thing is when the big Insurance company that is just trying to make money, makes enough money that it takes all their agents and their families to Hawaii and England on some of the profits.
I have a really good friend that is a multimillionaire insurance agent. He said they have to raise the rates to make money to cover claims. I said when I have to buy a new ac unit for my house, I can’t reduce my insurance premium that year to pay my “claim”. Seems like one can be a guaranteed profit margin and the customer is just an unlucky schmuck. Too make matter's worse, they can drop your coverage and leave the state. They’re probably selling hurricane insurance in the Midwest and flood insurance to the folks in Arizona.
I still jump through all the hoops and rate increases to keep our coverage. Can’t hardly get by without them. It’s a love hate thing. Rant is over😉
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Post by jmarkb on Jun 18, 2024 22:33:30 GMT -5
My F 150, Ms PD's Cheroke and my boat are about $2500.00 a year. My business owned 2005 F 350 that is on a commercial vehicle plan is $4850.00 a year. Almost all of it is liability. When we were doing a lot more work several contractors would only use us if we had $1,000,000.00 coverage on our auto, liability, workers comp, and a freaking "umbrella" policy. Well over 10k a year just to have coverage.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 18, 2024 23:01:51 GMT -5
My F 150, Ms PD's Cheroke and my boat are about $2500.00 a year. My business owned 2005 F 350 that is on a commercial vehicle plan is $4850.00 a year. Almost all of it is liability. When we were doing a lot more work several contractors would only use us if we had $1,000,000.00 coverage on our auto, liability, workers comp, and a freaking "umbrella" policy. Well over 10k a year just to have coverage. Thats fucking ridiculous, and we wonder why everything is expensive.
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Post by misterjr on Jun 19, 2024 8:13:50 GMT -5
I read in the paper this morning that Citizens Insurance Corp, the state owned, carrier of last resort, is going to ask for a 14% increase in rates this summer. I have own home with citizens and pay $8,500 a year with the largest deductibles I could get.
The only private insurance co I could get a quote from was over $14,000 a year.
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Post by ferris1248 on Jun 19, 2024 8:23:24 GMT -5
I think I'll buy some mountain property as an investment. All those folks gotta relocate somewhere.
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Post by 1outlaw on Jun 19, 2024 10:49:14 GMT -5
I think I'll buy some mountain property as an investment. All those folks gotta relocate somewhere. Im not going anywhere!!.......Until i retire
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Post by jmarkb on Jun 21, 2024 14:38:04 GMT -5
My F 150, Ms PD's Cheroke and my boat are about $2500.00 a year. My business owned 2005 F 350 that is on a commercial vehicle plan is $4850.00 a year. Almost all of it is liability. When we were doing a lot more work several contractors would only use us if we had $1,000,000.00 coverage on our auto, liability, workers comp, and a freaking "umbrella" policy. Well over 10k a year just to have coverage. Thats fucking ridiculous, and we wonder why everything is expensive. Yup. The amount of money that it takes just to keep the doors open and before we ever actually head out of them and try to make a living is just crazy. The liability on everything is crazy. I have never in 25 years that I been in business had a single claim on our liability at all. Never had a vehicle claim. Or any other kind. The costs are still crazy. Since covid my I have raised my prices pushing 30%, and don't make any more profit than we did before. I'm embarrassed when we hand someone that obviously doesn't have a bunch of extra money lying around for a service call. I'm not overcharging them, but I have to make a decent amount to pay bills and payroll.
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Post by restlessnative on Jun 21, 2024 17:39:56 GMT -5
I read in the paper this morning that Citizens Insurance Corp, the state owned, carrier of last resort, is going to ask for a 14% increase in rates this summer. I have own home with citizens and pay $8,500 a year with the largest deductibles I could get. The only private insurance co I could get a quote from was over $14,000 a year. LOL the guy in the insurance industry telling people to read the fine print in the policy can’t even get the new rate hikes exactly right. It is 13.5% for homeowners with a multi-peril policy and 14.2% for condominium owners. He is usually more incorrect in his summations of the Florida insurance racket that most on here and freaking sells it for a living. What a fucking joke.
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