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Post by ferris1248 on May 22, 2024 11:27:31 GMT -5
I have found that fools, show their ass time, and time again. But you get credit for trying. Yeah yeah. Well instead of rambling on like a typical boomer post a link to prove me wrong That's an insult to us "typical boomers".
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Post by madm002 on May 22, 2024 11:58:04 GMT -5
I actually ran a factory in Mexico (Leon Mx to be specific, not the maquilladora type plants on the border). Yes wages were lower, but we had a higher social cost. Net at the end is was lower cost than our Mississipi plant, but not crazy good. We did it to supply the auto plants in Puebla Mexico. There are costs in third world countries you do not think about. Alot goes into the mix when thinking about operating in other countries. In Colombia my labor cost was about a third of US cost payroll to payroll, but my social cost was 43% of payroll and we paid 37% income tax, flat. You have to pay the local, state or Fed "authorities"? Nope, never ever did that in either Mexico or Colombia. People all think that is an easy solution and it just leads to laziness and more problems. Since I was legal representative and legally responsible for any criminal felonies of which these payments to governement officials classified, we stayed super clean. I have seen the prisons in both countries....
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Post by madm002 on May 22, 2024 12:03:52 GMT -5
Is there a point to be made here, or is this just a gringo supremist comment. Parts of Leon are a little gritty but safe.
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Post by gandy on May 22, 2024 12:07:53 GMT -5
Is there a point to be made here, or is this just a gringo supremist comment. Parts of Leon are a little gritty but safe. Just a view taken from the google machine. You can make it racist if you like. Having worked and played in parts of NJ and NY that make that look clean, still doesn't look like a place I'd like to visit.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on May 22, 2024 12:15:47 GMT -5
Yeah yeah. Well instead of rambling on like a typical boomer post a link to prove me wrong That's an insult to us "typical boomers". Apologies 😁
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Post by ferris1248 on May 22, 2024 12:16:33 GMT -5
That's an insult to us "typical boomers". Apologies 😁 Thank you.
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Post by jmarkb on May 24, 2024 0:55:37 GMT -5
Union dues cannot go to political funds, a separate political action fund is set up and members can give voluntarily. At least in my situation. I promise you that is not true in all cases. And in many where it is, members get lots of pressure on them to support those funds. Obviously not all of them, but a significant amount. Teachers unions are some of the worse. (I got a family full of teachers). I've heard guys I know that are union workers in the construction business talk about union officers and other members making remarks about their life being made miserable if they don't contribute. Again, not all, but still a fairly high number over the years. Let me be clear. I know that if it weren't for unions years ago, most of us would be working long hours for crap pay. They did a lot of good things for the workers. But the longer they were there, the more the whole goal was the enrichment of the officers that ran the union, and not the workers. That hasn't changed. Plus, who the heck does some union jack ass think he is when he wants to tell people that they have to work union, or not at all? They claim they want to better people's lives, but they got to be in the union to get it any of it. If it weren't for Right to Work laws there would be a lot of folks who would be forced to work union, and pay their dues to them. Plus the union that I am familiar with, construction and education, are not very strong at all in construction, and bleeding members in the education ones. If they're so fantastic, why are they losing hundreds and hundreds of members who made the choice to leave. In the construction union shops, their pay is based on how long a employee has been employed, and their title. If a guy is a journeyman with 8 years experience, his rate of pay is gonna be higher that another guy who is a journeyman with 5 years experience. Even if he gets more work done, does it better, and is an overall better employee. If they're both working for me, the guy that is better at his job is gonna make more money than the one with more time in trade. Yes, experience counts, but not when someone else does better work with less experience. Enough rant for now, you guys that like your union jobs, great for you. I love my non union job, and have put a bunch of union plumbers to work when they got laid off or rolled when work was slow for the union shops. Some of them stayed even after the hall called them to come back. The guys I have had made as much or more than any union guy. Sometimes much, much more when I had them piece working. they don't want anything to do with union employment. Quick edit to add: I've never seen a non union guy berate, threaten, or fight with a guy about not being in the union. The opposite cannot be said.
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Post by luapnor on May 25, 2024 8:31:40 GMT -5
I actually ran a factory in Mexico (Leon Mx to be specific, not the maquilladora type plants on the border). Yes wages were lower, but we had a higher social cost. Net at the end is was lower cost than our Mississipi plant, but not crazy good. We did it to supply the auto plants in Puebla Mexico. There are costs in third world countries you do not think about. Alot goes into the mix when thinking about operating in other countries. In Colombia my labor cost was about a third of US cost payroll to payroll, but my social cost was 43% of payroll and we paid 37% income tax, flat. Borg Warner?
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Post by luapnor on May 25, 2024 8:37:41 GMT -5
I am surprised that VW in Chattanooga voted for union a couple weeks ago. If you knew anything about VW you'd be surprised they didn't the first time. But threats by yhe Governor and and Senators will do that. But I was pleasantly surprised it was by suck a large margin 75+%. Next up Hyundai. Where than have been caught working minors in the plant TWICE!!! And at the supplier plants as well. What a convenient work force. Illegals under age. Who better to exploit? Because they sure as hell ain't gonna stand up and report it I don't think Hyundai will go union based on just my feel of what's going on there. On the other stuff... All public sector unions should be banned. It's a complete conflict of interest. In general, If unions provided some value to an employer such as training or skilled workers or protected regular workers instead of just the worst, they would have some value but they are just leaches on the system. Every union shop I worked for is out of business and gone. Certainly management carried the primary burden but unions were a very weighty anchor that didn't contribute.
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