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Post by olmucky on May 21, 2024 11:13:02 GMT -5
1/2 my kin in MI is UAW
I’ve learned via them why autos are so $$
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Post by flysalt069 on May 21, 2024 12:15:24 GMT -5
Joined the UA 44 years ago. For retirement and healthcare. Wasn’t going to stay,plan was either ga tech or southern poly and be a mechanical engineer. That didn’t happen. Being a southern local we are definitely conservative and but heads with the overlords from outside mason Dixon. We build the medical infrastructure,data centers, so you can find porn online or buy cheap shit online from China. We fix cricticle infrastructure when someone goes cheap. Seen quite a few talented non union folks. Most,especially welders are now union. We build the oil and gas pipelines, power plants,so your lights work and one can get on here and spout off bs. And then ,like me , we maintain it. Hell we maintain and build DOD contractors,refineries,the list goes on. My father was in them management,my brother is in and uncle and 2 of his brothers.
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Post by wynnv on May 21, 2024 12:47:05 GMT -5
Union dues cannot go to political funds, a separate political action fund is set up and members can give voluntarily. At least in my situation. Correct. PAC contributions are voluntary. Contrary to popular belief many union brothers wear red shirts.
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Post by madm002 on May 21, 2024 15:30:49 GMT -5
1/2 my kin in MI is UAW I’ve learned via them why autos are so $$ I lived in a union town that had alot of GM stamping plants. The abuse that went on was legendery. My ex BIL was a master electrician on 3rd shift. He said usually four shifts a week, he would work an hour and then find a place to sleep for 7 hours. He said he had two places where they would never find him. That place, Fisher Body was enormous. We toured it once, it looked like Dantes Inferno. We also toured the River Rouge Ford casting plant in July. Holy balls that was a hot place. I understand why those guys wanted a union. I think Dad was helping me understand why I should choose my career choice wisely.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on May 21, 2024 17:41:04 GMT -5
1/2 my kin in MI is UAW I’ve learned via them why autos are so $$ Labor is a small percentage of cost especially autos. They sell at what the market will bear. A truck sells for 80k because it wouldn't sell for 81k. That's all there is to it. If it was simply labor costs the the GMs made in Mexico at a max pay of $1.90 an hour would sell for considerable cheaper and be in higher demand. But you know what? They don't. They sell for exactly the same thing the truck made in MI at $30/hour sells for.
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Post by whitebacon on May 21, 2024 18:03:56 GMT -5
1/2 my kin in MI is UAW I’ve learned via them why autos are so $$ Labor is a small percentage of cost especially autos. They sell at what the market will bear. A truck sells for 80k because it wouldn't sell for 81k. That's all there is to it. If it was simply labor costs the the GMs made in Mexico at a max pay of $1.90 an hour would sell for considerable cheaper and be in higher demand. But you know what? They don't. They sell for exactly the same thing the truck made in MI at $30/hour sells for. Not to argue, or be impolite. Mexicans don't work for GM for $1.90 an hour. The vast majority of labor costs for GM, in the states, far exceed $30 an hour, all in. Labor in general, for US autos, average around 15% of costs. Autos, in general, in terms of sales, don't follow common "economic" theory. Meaning no fixed prices, no truth in advertising, etc. Ten of us go to the grocery store, we all pay the same price for milk. Ten of us go to buy an identical car, or truck, none of us pay the same price.
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Post by olmucky on May 21, 2024 18:42:31 GMT -5
1/2 my kin in MI is UAW I’ve learned via them why autos are so $$ Labor is a small percentage of cost especially autos. They sell at what the market will bear. A truck sells for 80k because it wouldn't sell for 81k. That's all there is to it. If it was simply labor costs the the GMs made in Mexico at a max pay of $1.90 an hour would sell for considerable cheaper and be in higher demand. But you know what? They don't. They sell for exactly the same thing the truck made in MI at $30/hour sells for. Yeah you don’t quite have the full picture. That’s ok though.
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Post by tonyroma on May 21, 2024 19:56:51 GMT -5
Union dues cannot go to political funds, a separate political action fund is set up and members can give voluntarily. At least in my situation. Voluntarily is it? Yes, voluntary, you don’t seem to see the whole picture, but that’s alright though.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on May 21, 2024 23:39:25 GMT -5
Labor is a small percentage of cost especially autos. They sell at what the market will bear. A truck sells for 80k because it wouldn't sell for 81k. That's all there is to it. If it was simply labor costs the the GMs made in Mexico at a max pay of $1.90 an hour would sell for considerable cheaper and be in higher demand. But you know what? They don't. They sell for exactly the same thing the truck made in MI at $30/hour sells for. Not to argue, or be impolite. Mexicans don't work for GM for $1.90 an hour. The vast majority of labor costs for GM, in the states, far exceed $30 an hour, all in. Labor in general, for US autos, average around 15% of costs. Autos, in general, in terms of sales, don't follow common "economic" theory. Meaning no fixed prices, no truth in advertising, etc. Ten of us go to the grocery store, we all pay the same price for milk. Ten of us go to buy an identical car, or truck, none of us pay the same price. You're right. That's the top pay. Many work for less. I stand corrected they have recently got a raise. Some are up to 33.74 a day for a 12 hour day. That's over $2 and hour. With some making $9.15 a day or .76 and hour.
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Post by whitebacon on May 22, 2024 0:36:44 GMT -5
You're right. That's the top pay. Many work for less. I stand corrected they have recently got a raise. Some are up to 33.74 a day for a 12 hour day. That's over $2 and hour. With some making $9.15 a day or .76 and hour. I have found that fools, show their ass time, and time again. But you get credit for trying.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on May 22, 2024 0:57:55 GMT -5
You're right. That's the top pay. Many work for less. I stand corrected they have recently got a raise. Some are up to 33.74 a day for a 12 hour day. That's over $2 and hour. With some making $9.15 a day or .76 and hour. I have found that fools, show their ass time, and time again. But you get credit for trying. Yeah yeah. Well instead of rambling on like a typical boomer post a link to prove me wrong
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Post by madm002 on May 22, 2024 8:12:49 GMT -5
I actually ran a factory in Mexico (Leon Mx to be specific, not the maquilladora type plants on the border). Yes wages were lower, but we had a higher social cost. Net at the end is was lower cost than our Mississipi plant, but not crazy good. We did it to supply the auto plants in Puebla Mexico. There are costs in third world countries you do not think about.
Alot goes into the mix when thinking about operating in other countries. In Colombia my labor cost was about a third of US cost payroll to payroll, but my social cost was 43% of payroll and we paid 37% income tax, flat.
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Post by gandy on May 22, 2024 8:57:53 GMT -5
Leon street view, looks safe -sarcasm
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Post by cyclist on May 22, 2024 10:09:21 GMT -5
I actually ran a factory in Mexico (Leon Mx to be specific, not the maquilladora type plants on the border). Yes wages were lower, but we had a higher social cost. Net at the end is was lower cost than our Mississipi plant, but not crazy good. We did it to supply the auto plants in Puebla Mexico. There are costs in third world countries you do not think about. Alot goes into the mix when thinking about operating in other countries. In Colombia my labor cost was about a third of US cost payroll to payroll, but my social cost was 43% of payroll and we paid 37% income tax, flat. You have to pay the local, state or Fed "authorities"?
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Post by olmucky on May 22, 2024 11:01:33 GMT -5
You're right. That's the top pay. Many work for less. I stand corrected they have recently got a raise. Some are up to 33.74 a day for a 12 hour day. That's over $2 and hour. With some making $9.15 a day or .76 and hour. I have found that fools, show their ass time, and time again. But you get credit for trying. Some of them just have myopic views. They don’t consider costs of pensions (active/retired) Healthcare (active/retired) All which are the finest Some retirees pensions are near $6k a mos Yup it’s quite a considerable cost built into the vehicles. Not faulting anyone for it or getting what they can.
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