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Post by bswiv on May 9, 2024 19:42:15 GMT -5
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Post by swampdog on May 9, 2024 19:48:40 GMT -5
Everyone with a cell phone taking videos and posting on FB or YTube is a journalist. LOL
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Post by richm on May 9, 2024 20:46:40 GMT -5
Too many unknown and pretty useless journalists either abetting or promoting stuff instead of reporting.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 9, 2024 20:47:47 GMT -5
The framers of the constitution never imagined automatic rifles and machine guns when drafting the Second Amendment, and they never imagined cell phones when drafting the First.
Such is the price of freedom, Am I right?
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Post by whitebacon on May 9, 2024 21:06:28 GMT -5
The framers of the constitution never imagined automatic rifles and machine guns when drafting the Second Amendment, and they never imagined cell phones when drafting the First. Such is the price of freedom, Am I right? The framers never imagined you would hijack a calm forum like this. Fishing.
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Post by whitebacon on May 9, 2024 22:38:08 GMT -5
The framers of the constitution never imagined automatic rifles and machine guns when drafting the Second Amendment, and they never imagined cell phones when drafting the First. Such is the price of freedom, Am I right? Some asshole 300 years later knows what was in their minds. They also didn't imagine complete sissies questioning their intentions, or their footprint when creating a new nation. You ain't right about anything. The founding fathers never imagined that complete idiots would do anything in their power to eff up a good thing.
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Post by bswiv on May 10, 2024 5:37:43 GMT -5
The framers of the constitution never imagined automatic rifles and machine guns when drafting the Second Amendment, and they never imagined cell phones when drafting the First. Such is the price of freedom, Am I right? Their understanding was not of the means by which the true underlying right being protected by the Amendments you reference are secured but of that fact that in a free society those rights must be secured. In the one instance it is the most basic human right, the right to self preservation, to life. At the time edged weapons were abundant, many of what was accepted then being now proscribed. In the second instance, the "press", the press of that time was openly and honestly partisan.....everyone knew it. It was one of the public means of debating ideas. And the Founders quite rightly rested their confidence on the people to sort through it all. And more so, the people's right to sort through it. The "Big Lie" is that we somewhere along the line developed something called a "journalist", a truly impartial ferreter of fact, trained in putting those facts into print such that the people could sort through it. And amazing of all the amazing, this "journalist" was to be created out of a HUMAN, a regular, normal human, a human possessed as we all are of blind spots and prejudices. And most amazingly, this "journalist" was to somehow, once he realized he had the power by his writing, by his reporting, by the way he couched a thing, by that and more to be able to sway his fellow citizens towards his view, he was of such metal that he would not do such. We got played for a long time.....by both the left and the right sides of the "press".......our blinders are off.
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Post by cyclist on May 10, 2024 8:42:52 GMT -5
I do think there is a huge difference between real journalism and say fox News entertainment. No one is 100% unbiased. A news org can choose what stories it wants to cover...car crashes and murders or international politics and economics.
Underlying intent is involved....personal monetary gain, education of the public,daylighting crime and fraud, etc.
Considering all this I am personally fond of NPR,PBS,NYT,Atlantic,local news papers and I watch ABC news sometimes.
I never get news from fox,msnbc,facebook,etc.
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Post by bswiv on May 10, 2024 9:41:43 GMT -5
I do think there is a huge difference between real journalism and say fox News entertainment. No one is 100% unbiased. A news org can choose what stories it wants to cover...car crashes and murders or international politics and economics. Underlying intent is involved....personal monetary gain, education of the public,daylighting crime and fraud, etc. Considering all this I am personally fond of NPR,PBS,NYT,Atlantic,local news papers and I watch ABC news sometimes. I never get news from fox,msnbc,facebook,etc. While I wander further afield than you do I would note that NPR was always on in my mother's house and is still what is the first button on my truck radio. That said.....Bari Weiss at the Free Press needs to be paid attention to as she & her folks are much more what NPR used to be. My test, for what it is worth, comes down to whether I find myself shaking my head at least now and again at the idiocy of how a thing is reported. Sadly NPR and the NYT are getting close to the status of FOX, which I do not tune in, the difference between them being only which way they blow it. Add "Reason"........they don't like either Team........ And while Nation is what it is I find value in them in that they will now and again be as upset as Team R or Team D is about a issue.....but often for a different reason.....which causes one to have to think.
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Post by gardawg on May 10, 2024 10:06:17 GMT -5
Fear makes the wolf bigger than he is ...
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Post by luapnor on May 11, 2024 22:53:22 GMT -5
I do think there is a huge difference between real journalism and say fox News entertainment. No one is 100% unbiased. A news org can choose what stories it wants to cover...car crashes and murders or international politics and economics. Underlying intent is involved....personal monetary gain, education of the public,daylighting crime and fraud, etc. Considering all this I am personally fond of NPR,PBS,NYT,Atlantic,local news papers and I watch ABC news sometimes. I never get news from fox,msnbc,facebook,etc. You listen to sources that only confirm and affirm your political agenda.
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Post by luapnor on May 11, 2024 22:56:41 GMT -5
The framers of the constitution never imagined automatic rifles and machine guns when drafting the Second Amendment, and they never imagined cell phones when drafting the First. Such is the price of freedom, Am I right? Their understanding was not of the means by which the true underlying right being protected by the Amendments you reference are secured but of that fact that in a free society those rights must be secured. In the one instance it is the most basic human right, the right to self preservation, to life. At the time edged weapons were abundant, many of what was accepted then being now proscribed. In the second instance, the "press", the press of that time was openly and honestly partisan.....everyone knew it. It was one of the public means of debating ideas. And the Founders quite rightly rested their confidence on the people to sort through it all. And more so, the people's right to sort through it. The "Big Lie" is that we somewhere along the line developed something called a "journalist", a truly impartial ferreter of fact, trained in putting those facts into print such that the people could sort through it. And amazing of all the amazing, this "journalist" was to be created out of a HUMAN, a regular, normal human, a human possessed as we all are of blind spots and prejudices. And most amazingly, this "journalist" was to somehow, once he realized he had the power by his writing, by his reporting, by the way he couched a thing, by that and more to be able to sway his fellow citizens towards his view, he was of such metal that he would not do such. We got played for a long time.....by both the left and the right sides of the "press".......our blinders are off. Well said. I think the concept of "journalism" started out noble, sadly the institutions that indoctrinated these new journalists were compromised by big government fascists.
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