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Post by olmucky on Apr 17, 2024 16:04:10 GMT -5
The gorilla in the room is not electric power or charging stations. It’s the batteries and the materials to build the batteries. Not to mention the life cycle. Even the cheapest internal combustion engine can last well over 100K miles if properly maintained. And even if you have to replace the engine it’s still cheaper than a battery replacement in a EV. The other problem with batteries is the road conditions. Vibration, heat and cold reduces the life span of any battery. More people are realizing these issues and thus the drop in sales. And we haven’t mentioned the tire problems. What they do to the earth to get the raw materials….. I did do some research. Co2 released to run an average ev (currently) is just under 3x less than that of the average gasser (a gasser would hit 80 miles vs 220 for the ev) So that is a plus for co2 released (assuming that is actually impacting the enviro) for the EV The co2 released to make the batterys takes 2 years or so to be net neutral Im still not convinced all these batterys will be recycled properly and not just buried. They are also building roads that have charging in them. Who pays for that? Who pays for the generation of the electricity when these vehicles are driving on these roads. Big picture is nuclear is the most efficient and ecomincal If I recall. |
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 17, 2024 16:05:25 GMT -5
Take the gains from $DJT and put them in whale oil.
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Post by cyclist on Apr 17, 2024 16:07:31 GMT -5
The gorilla in the room is not electric power or charging stations. It’s the batteries and the materials to build the batteries. Not to mention the life cycle. Even the cheapest internal combustion engine can last well over 100K miles if properly maintained. And even if you have to replace the engine it’s still cheaper than a battery replacement in a EV. The other problem with batteries is the road conditions. Vibration, heat and cold reduces the life span of any battery. More people are realizing these issues and thus the drop in sales. And we haven’t mentioned the tire problems. What they do to the earth to get the raw materials….. I did do some research. Co2 released to run an average ev (currently) is just under 3x less than that of the average gasser (a gasser would hit 80 miles vs 220 for the ev) So that is a plus for co2 released (assuming that is actually impacting the enviro) for the EV The co2 released to make the batterys takes 2 years or so to be net neutral Im still not convinced all these batterys will be recycled properly and not just buried. They are also building roads that have charging in them. Who pays for that? Who pays for the generation of the electricity when these vehicles are driving on these roads. Big picture is nuclear is the most efficient and ecomincal If I recall. Certainly when batteries become better its a better carbon footprint. The use for old tesla batteries is in solar farms. They are a fraction of their previous energy storage but for a land based operation that is no big deal. Buy more time for efficient recycling and also helps out the grid in the meantime.
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Post by cyclist on Apr 17, 2024 16:10:23 GMT -5
This Solar-Powered EV Is Promised for under $43,000 A lot less expensive than the Lightyear 0, this mass-market EV will be manufactured in the ‘hundreds of thousands,’ the company pledges. Thanks to solar panels, the Lightyear 2 will need to plug in for charging about a third less often than a conventional battery-electric vehicle and will have half the emissions. Given the right circumstances, the onboard energy collectors can double the range in the battery, providing more than 500 miles between charges from the grid. www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a42419262/lightyear-solar-powered-ev-promised-for-euro-40000/ |
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Post by mapper on Apr 17, 2024 16:19:34 GMT -5
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Post by Captj on Apr 17, 2024 19:16:24 GMT -5
This is an industry in it's infancy. There will be giant leaps forward in both manufacturing and battery innovations. At present it's a great alternative to burning fossil fuel. Whether you want to believe it or not, the worlds chemistry is sliding down the road to perdition. Just look at the real changes in our atmosphere and our natural resources that are water related. The next big wars will be fought over water. Just filled up my Ram 2500 hd for $105.00 and burned a quarter tank trailering my boat from Key Largo to Miami. Not to mention the pollutants I released into the atmosphere. China is coming hard with EV's. They're in it for the long game. Better step up to the plate and compete or all the missiles and weapons won't mean shit if we can't breath. And I am definitely not a tree hugger. I like to kill shit. Problem is deterioration of our environment is very apparent where I fish (South Florida). I don't post fishing stories from back in the day as nobody here would understand them. Hence mother nature is telling us something's wrong. Can't wait for all the negative comments.
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Post by johngalt on Apr 17, 2024 19:20:36 GMT -5
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Post by johngalt on Apr 17, 2024 19:24:51 GMT -5
Peter at what point and time do you think developing countries can afford EVs? Even the wealthiest of nations still have a problem with the infrastructure building enough recharging stations. You really think that developing countries in Africa, Asia and even S America can build the infrastructure needed to support electrical vehicles? It’s all a pipe dream. Developing countries emit a fraction of carbon per capita as wealthy countries. Chinese EVs will be cheap, and solar charging even more so. EVs in the top carbon emitting countries per capita are a reality. Obviously you have never been to a third world country. |
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Post by mapper on Apr 17, 2024 19:29:25 GMT -5
I agree it's in its infancy, I am not a early adopter or beta tester. All I ask for is a product that meets my needs.
At this time ev does not, unless golf cart, etc.
Last fill in the truck was 56 gallons. But a ev can't tow my camper, boats, and car on the trailer at this time, and have the charging infrastructure to be competitive with fossil fuel.
I don't have to disconnect my trailer to refuel with fossil fuel, ev does not have that option at this point.
Maybe it will mature and become a option for me to consider.
Maybe alternative fuels will come along and offer a better option.
It is a good option for some uses. BUT not for mine at this point.
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Post by johngalt on Apr 17, 2024 19:43:47 GMT -5
This is an industry in it's infancy. There will be giant leaps forward in both manufacturing and battery innovations. At present it's a great alternative to burning fossil fuel. Whether you want to believe it or not, the worlds chemistry is sliding down the road to perdition. Just look at the real changes in our atmosphere and our natural resources that are water related. The next big wars will be fought over water. Just filled up my Ram 2500 hd for $105.00 and burned a quarter tank trailering my boat from Key Largo to Miami. Not to mention the pollutants I released into the atmosphere. China is coming hard with EV's. They're in it for the long game. Better step up to the plate and compete or all the missiles and weapons won't mean shit if we can't breath. And I am definitely not a tree hugger. I like to kill shit. Problem is deterioration of our environment is very apparent where I fish (South Florida). I don't post fishing stories from back in the day as nobody here would understand them. Hence mother nature is telling us something's wrong. Can't wait for all the negative comments. The problem isn’t coming from your tailpipe, that is minuscule. The problem is over a thousand people a day pouring into the state. Now ask yourself why are they coming here? |
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Post by mapper on Apr 17, 2024 19:51:49 GMT -5
This is from a ford forum. The moderator in the lightning ev section gives his real world use and impressions, both high points as well as things that could be improved. He keeps good records and detail. This is a thread about him towing a small camper, and charging vehicle on trip from minnesota to texas and charging and use in campgrounds. It's a decent read and fair read that stays on topic. Lightning towing trip minnesota to texasNow that said, the things I tow are far bigger than his rig. So while I keep a eye on it, it has limitations for my use at this point. |
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Post by Captj on Apr 17, 2024 19:54:27 GMT -5
This is an industry in it's infancy. There will be giant leaps forward in both manufacturing and battery innovations. At present it's a great alternative to burning fossil fuel. Whether you want to believe it or not, the worlds chemistry is sliding down the road to perdition. Just look at the real changes in our atmosphere and our natural resources that are water related. The next big wars will be fought over water. Just filled up my Ram 2500 hd for $105.00 and burned a quarter tank trailering my boat from Key Largo to Miami. Not to mention the pollutants I released into the atmosphere. China is coming hard with EV's. They're in it for the long game. Better step up to the plate and compete or all the missiles and weapons won't mean shit if we can't breath. And I am definitely not a tree hugger. I like to kill shit. Problem is deterioration of our environment is very apparent where I fish (South Florida). I don't post fishing stories from back in the day as nobody here would understand them. Hence mother nature is telling us something's wrong. Can't wait for all the negative comments. The problem isn’t coming from your tailpipe, that is minuscule. The problem is over a thousand people a day pouring into the state. Now ask yourself why are they coming here? Can't stop progress, but you can regulate the intrusion on our resources. How about the continuing contamination of our ground water via septic systems. Just look at the percentage of sewer line hookups in Miami-Dade. I could go on, but common sense never wins over money. |
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Post by garycoleco on Apr 17, 2024 20:29:33 GMT -5
Watch any reasonably busy gas station in the country. Watch the in and out traffic. Now imagine that dame amount of vehicles parking for at least 20 minutes each. It ain't happening
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Apr 17, 2024 21:34:36 GMT -5
Look I get it EVs aren't for everybody especially at the moment. But some of you are so ate up with the anti EV fossil fueled propaganda it's laughable. Just like the meme I just saw on FB claiming a 350kw generator runs 3 hours just to get a 200 mile charge and burns x amou t of diesel. And the bad thing is it was a damn electrician who shared it. Jesus if you don't want one don't buy it. Laugh at all the "idiots" that do buy them. I just can't believe a bunch of people especially from Florida think it's a passing fad. When almost every gas station in the state anywhere near an Interstate is adding charging stations. There is plenty of research and articles out there to support the practicality of EVs for a lot of people. I don't own one probably never going to own one. matter of fact of all my vehicles my F250 that gets 14mpg on a good day is the most efficient in the fleet. So I'm not some Uber liberal treehugging activist just a regular working schmuck who sees they are beneficial for a lot of people's situation even if it's not mine. I've heard
Mire than one old person say their grand fathers all said the car was a passing fad and would never replace the horse. Yall sound like them. Mt biggest fear is the hirt cheap Chinese cars are gonna put on domestic manufacturers. That I do see as a real threat.
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Post by tonyroma on Apr 17, 2024 22:43:00 GMT -5
Farriers thought automobiles were a passing fad.
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Post by gandy on Apr 18, 2024 6:47:33 GMT -5
Build the EV better, cheaper and more useful than the gas counterpart and eventually the masses will flock to the better way.
To hell with .gov force feeding EV upon US.
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Post by gandy on Apr 18, 2024 6:48:30 GMT -5
Take the gains from $DJT and put them in whale oil. yes  |
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Post by luapnor on Apr 18, 2024 6:56:55 GMT -5
Farriers thought automobiles were a passing fad. False analogy. |
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Post by luapnor on Apr 18, 2024 7:02:46 GMT -5
Build the EV better, cheaper and more useful than the gas counterpart and eventually the masses will flock to the better way. To hell with .gov force feeding EV upon US. That is how it is supposed to work but teh government had to subsidize malinvestment and it created an unsustainable market cheered on by their minions who have been brainwashed into whatever they are told.
The government subsided ONLY high end cars through a system of tax relief that ONLY rich guys would benefit... rich guys dont want to buy cheap electric cars, they want fancy expensive cars... so the automakers build production lines and a sales channel for high end electric vehicles... But those were the worst cars to electrify because they ranged out without super heavy batteries. And the beat goes on....
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Post by gandy on Apr 18, 2024 7:07:38 GMT -5
see, keep the .gov out of it
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Post by cyclist on Apr 18, 2024 8:11:11 GMT -5
see, keep the .gov out of it 6$ gas without your fed subsidies. |
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Post by meateater on Apr 18, 2024 8:18:05 GMT -5
see, keep the .gov out of it 6$ gas without your fed subsidies. not if your best friend drowsy donald wins the election. 2.50 gas and 100% tariffs on cheap china evs. |
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Post by meateater on Apr 18, 2024 8:19:50 GMT -5
see, keep the .gov out of it thats the main reason im skeptical. the government is involved too much. that and in 20 years disposal will be a huge issue. |
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Post by gandy on Apr 18, 2024 8:23:31 GMT -5
see, keep the .gov out of it 6$ gas without your fed subsidies. You have been known to use others funny numbers to articulate a point. like the car manufactures should cover the cost of roads to come to the true impact cost. In that case pen and pencil should cover the cost of paper. It's called mental gymnastics. And through science NYC and Fl have been under water since 2013. CFL bulbs can fook right the fook off. |
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Post by luapnor on Apr 18, 2024 10:47:40 GMT -5
see, keep the .gov out of it 6$ gas without your fed subsidies. If that was true, then why havent the democrats allowed gas to float?? Wouldnt that solve all of your mental problems and make you feel better that everyone who disagrees with you is harmed financially.... you know, to teach them a lesson for not worshiping YOUR god?
You know why they dont.... cause you are fos.
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Post by cyclist on Apr 18, 2024 11:16:30 GMT -5
6$ gas without your fed subsidies. If that was true, then why havent the democrats allowed gas to float?? Wouldnt that solve all of your mental problems and make you feel better that everyone who disagrees with you is harmed financially.... you know, to teach them a lesson for not worshiping YOUR god?
You know why they dont.... cause you are fos.
Well...you can't fix stoopid, but you can legislate against it, and that is why the magaa fucks are upset...and we thought ignorance was bliss. LOL |
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Post by johngalt on Apr 18, 2024 11:32:44 GMT -5
see, keep the .gov out of it 6$ gas without your fed subsidies. Once again, look up the definition of subsidies. It’s all the so called green energy nonsense and so called renewable energy that has to be heavily subsidized. |
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Post by luapnor on Apr 18, 2024 11:39:41 GMT -5
If that was true, then why havent the democrats allowed gas to float?? Wouldnt that solve all of your mental problems and make you feel better that everyone who disagrees with you is harmed financially.... you know, to teach them a lesson for not worshiping YOUR god?
You know why they dont.... cause you are fos.
but you can legislate against it, and that is why the magaa fucks are upset...and we thought ignorance was bliss. LOL Thanks for proving my point. I always wondered why Cad doesnt correct you.. |
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Post by cyclist on Apr 18, 2024 11:49:12 GMT -5
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Post by luapnor on Apr 18, 2024 13:02:07 GMT -5
This explains your total brainwashing... it is propaganda hit piece that places the pretend global warming crisis on a pedestal. Villanizing CO2 and its creation as a "subsidizing". Some day you will realize that you have been used. |
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