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Apr 13, 2024 6:41:16 GMT -5
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 13, 2024 6:41:16 GMT -5
I also find it hard to believe that so many women are in favor of ending the lives of children. Potential mothers are usually the most sensitive to the needs of children. The left wants to make killing poor black children very easy. It's the goal Why. They rely upon that segment of the population to vote for them. Killing the babies eliminates the voters that they rely upon. But wait, yes, they are losing the monopoly on these minorities voting Democratic always.
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Abortion
Apr 14, 2024 16:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 16:02:40 GMT -5
Yup. The biggest pandemic in our lifetimes had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was all about control! You tell him!
Oh, wait a minute, this is the abortion thread. Did someone say something about control??? Isn't that odd?
I respect a women's right to choose and control her own body and destiny, and, curiously enough, I'm in the majority in this state and country on the topic.
For those who disagree it would seem that having it on the ballot is hard to spin as a good thing. Then again, the mental gymnastics around here defy logic so I suppose that we shall see.
That sword cuts both ways. Plenty of ridiculous claims being made right here in support of abortion as well. Oh well. NMMNMC
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Abortion
Apr 14, 2024 16:16:20 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 16:16:20 GMT -5
Sending the option back to the States to decide individually is the best and proper way to allow people to decide for themselves. A National referendum would not work. Should people in Montana or South Dakota be controlled by the will of liberals from California or Illinois who don’t share their views and beliefs? No Now you know why liberals are so upset. Liberals want the coastal areas of the US to be able to mandate that the federal government enshrine abortion as a national right. Doesn’t matter to them that the constitution says that each state has the right to determine that for themselves. Any other argument from them is just more BS foaming at the mouth that the wrong was finally righted to make it conform to what the constitution actually says. They’d rather throw a tantrum about losing the federal mandate because of its unconstitutionality than work to get what they want by actually changing the constitution, as they would need to do before it could ever legally become a federally mandated right.
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Abortion
Apr 14, 2024 16:28:22 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 16:28:22 GMT -5
Utterly ridiculous comments. Out of a half million abortions every year, or whatever the number is, 99.9% are babies conceived from normal relationships. There might be 5, FIVE pregnancies a year that result from a rape of a child, and in those cases abortion is allowed in every state in the land. Doctors are not in fear of prosecution. And its called a D&C, not a D&E. Dilate & Evacuate. 99.9%, did you poll all the abortion seekers? It's not that bad. I'm exaggerating? So what of other issues? Nonviable or severely disabled fetuses? Are their exceptions in every state for them? Or am I again exaggerating? Your exaggeration is in what you claim pro-life people think. The broad brush you use makes your claim patently false. While there may be some that actually are as you describe them, there are also many that aren’t at all as you claim them to be. I’d expect that kind of generalization from a BT or a psycholist (sorry, but it fits when it comes to how he describes those with political views that aren’t the same as his). But it’s somewhat surprising to see from Polar.
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Abortion
Apr 14, 2024 17:00:08 GMT -5
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 14, 2024 17:00:08 GMT -5
It just not right. Extreme circumstances- yes. Convenience- no.
Let us let the individual states decide what they want.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 17:06:44 GMT -5
Sending the option back to the States to decide individually is the best and proper way to allow people to decide for themselves. A National referendum would not work. Should people in Montana or South Dakota be controlled by the will of liberals from California or Illinois who don’t share their views and beliefs? No Now you know why liberals are so upset. Liberals want the coastal areas of the US to be able to mandate that the federal government enshrine abortion as a national right. Doesn’t matter to them that the constitution says that each state has the right to determine that for themselves. Any other argument from them is just more BS foaming at the mouth that the wrong was finally righted to make it conform to what the constitution actually says. They’d rather throw a tantrum about losing the federal mandate because of its unconstitutionality than work to get what they want by actually changing the constitution, as they would need to do before it could ever legally become a federally mandated right. There are ways for reproductive rights to become national rights pass constitutional muster. Courts reverse decisions, and change their makeup al the time. Court opinions change and so do a court's make-up, and it all start at the ballot box this Roevember. A hard rain is going to fall, and it's going to fall nationwide. Oh, and it won't be any different in ruby red states. Though, like now in Arizona the panic will set in with the "that's not what we meant by state's rights" The voters will decide, and they will decide for the country.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 17:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 17:22:02 GMT -5
I get that changing the constitution is probably more work than most are willing to go through.
Might as well try the unconstitutional route again then, right?🙄
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 17:24:29 GMT -5
I get that changing the constitution is probably more work than most are willing to go through. Might as well try the unconstitutional route again then, right?🙄 Why mess with the Constitution when a law can be passed that would have the same results? There's lots of way to fuck this pig, and they start at the ballot box. You can refer to Plessy v. Ferguson if you'd like.
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Abortion
Apr 14, 2024 17:29:45 GMT -5
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Post by dragonbait on Apr 14, 2024 17:29:45 GMT -5
Try, just try, to not post an entire screenshot in black of your hero, Trump. Tell you what......if you stop that crap for a week, I will wire you $10k. That means I'm tired of hearing about your hero, Trump, and tired of your black screen posts. Do we have a deal? You do realize that you do not have to come to politics right? Where else can he brag about the fact that he has to pay to get laid
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Abortion
Apr 14, 2024 17:31:49 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 17:31:49 GMT -5
I prefer constitutionally supported laws over RvW types of laws.
I’m less emotionally driven than most though. YMMV.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 17:34:18 GMT -5
I prefer constitutionally supported laws over RvW types of laws. I’m less emotionally driven than most though. YMMV. Me too. I just realize one doesn't need to amend the constitution to get there.
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Abortion
Apr 14, 2024 19:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 19:37:14 GMT -5
Sure it can be done. Nobody is saying otherwise. Look at RvW. It didn’t matter at the time that it wasn’t constitutional.
If you want lasting change though, don’t waste time trying to stack the SP so you can legislate from the bench. Don’t wast your time getting another unconstitutional law passed either. Neither will keep you from being right back where you are, eventually.
Do it the right way, if you want it to last.
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Apr 14, 2024 19:46:40 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 19:46:40 GMT -5
Sure it can be done. Nobody is saying otherwise. Look at RvW. It didn’t matter at the time that it wasn’t constitutional. If you want lasting change though, don’t waste time trying to stack the SP so you can legislate from the bench. Don’t wast your time getting another unconstitutional law passed either. Neither will keep you from being right back where you are, eventually. Do it the right way, if you want it to last. The two ways we’re discussing are not mutually exclusive. Give women the rights they enjoyed for generations that were taken away from them now via the vote. Then, get an amendment.
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Abortion
Apr 14, 2024 21:00:35 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 21:00:35 GMT -5
You mean the rights that were correctly determined to have been unconstitutionally enacted? Not without first amending the constitution. Short of that happening, it will constitutionally remain a matter that is the right of each state to decide.
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