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Post by meateater on Feb 1, 2024 13:04:44 GMT -5
im cheap so i use easton aluminum arrows, 125 grain thunderheads, all the most expensive arrows and broadheads wont fix buck fever. practice practice practice.
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Post by altuck on Feb 1, 2024 14:53:42 GMT -5
Practice above all else, but don't over practice till you are tired and start making mistakes. Bow hunting is a one-shot experience. I used to hunt with a fella that would shoot one arrow at his deer target every morning and think about that shot all day long.
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Post by One Man Gang on Feb 1, 2024 15:47:29 GMT -5
im cheap so i use easton aluminum arrows, 125 grain thunderheads, all the most expensive arrows and broadheads wont fix buck fever. practice practice practice. That was my original arrow and broadhead set up back in the 80s with my old Bear bow.
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Post by meateater on Feb 1, 2024 16:26:37 GMT -5
same here, i had a browning something but remember it was 69.00 ready to hunt , changed bows over the years but never arrow or broadhead since just about everything ive ever shot ive recovered, few piss poor hits and complete chokes but that arrow and broadhead is devastating when it hits the mark coming off 70 lb draw. reminds me of a buck i shot in big cypress, hit him low and way back from around 50 yds away, not much penetration i could see 3/4 of arrow flopping as he ran away as he ran into the pines 150yds away i watched him tumble, the arrow must have hit the pine or brush as he was running and ripped open a 18 inch long slash half his intestines where laying next to him when i walked up. when i find something that works i stick with it.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Feb 1, 2024 18:11:52 GMT -5
When I started bow hunting it was BC(before carbon) so I shot XX 75 aluminum arrows and they worked good, killed many deer with them. You just had to check them because they would get bent. I got wrapped up in wanting faster arrows so I went to carbon for the lightness and durability. They don't bend but you need to check them often, they do develop cracks and splinters. I soon discovered that with the light arrows that I couldn't keep the bow in tune. I finally woke up to fact that I didn't need a light, flat shooting arrow. Most of my shots were under 20 yds. If I was hunting out west it might be a different story. My advice would pick an arrow set-up in moderation, say 7 to 8 grains per lb. So far as FOC with a compound I would stay in the 11 to 15 percent range. On my long bow I'm shooting an arrow with over 25% FOC, the high FOC helps straighten the arrow from the archer's paradox. If you are shooting a compound 65 to 70 lbs you can pretty use any well made broadhead, expandable, fixed or COC, as long as it flys straight. If your shooting 50 to 65 lbs, I wouldn't use an expandable head. If you are less than 50 lbs I would use a 2 blade COC. What ever broadhead you decide on make sure it's scary sharp. Just because it's new, that doesn't mean it's sharp enough. Broad heads can go dull just sitting in your quiver. A light coat of Vaseline helps prevent this. The majority of the deer that I've killed have been with the old Thunderheads, but have had good luck with Muzzy, Slick Tricks and the last deer I killed was with an ACE standard, a head that was started in the 1930's. They all work you just have to make sure they are sharp.
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Post by 6thgen on Feb 2, 2024 9:25:37 GMT -5
I used to shoot Montec 125 grain from G5. I switched to their Striker V2 a couple years ago and they are way sharper. I like the 125 grain and fairly heavy arrow as well. I think my 70 lb bow shoots them around 260 fps. Not fast by any means, but can deliver full pass through even through bone. I dont shoot further than 25 yards at game.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Feb 2, 2024 9:46:45 GMT -5
An interesting test of broad heads is to take a fresh deer hide and measure how much pressure it takes for a broad head to pass through it. With relatively the same degree of sharpness, a Cut on Contact broad head will pass through with around 25% less pressure than a chisel tipped broad head. That's why you should use COC heads with low poundage bows.
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Post by JS84 on Feb 2, 2024 9:54:33 GMT -5
Dumb question I'm sure but why the low poundage on the cut on contact broadheads? Do they lose stability at higher speeds?
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Post by Crkr 23 on Feb 2, 2024 11:35:39 GMT -5
No,just the fact that they have a cutting edge that starts slicing at first contact whereas a chisel point has to punch through. This is why they are good for low energy(poundage) bows.
COC heads are generally 2 or 3 blade heads and fly good as long as the arrow is straight (spins with no wobble) and the bow is in tune. Expandable heads are more forgiving and will fly somewhat satisfactorily with a bow out of tune. Expandable heads generally require a lot of energy(poundage) for penetration because of the chisel tip and they generally have a very wide cut. There's no one perfect broad head made, they all have certain characteristics, you just have to pick the one that checks the most boxes for your application. A good example would if you are deer hunting you might like the Slick Trick magnum with a 1⅛ cut. If you were elk hunting you might opt for a ST standard with a 1 inch cut for more penetration.
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Post by JS84 on Feb 2, 2024 12:31:05 GMT -5
Thank you. Easily understood
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Post by Crkr 23 on Feb 2, 2024 14:57:38 GMT -5
On the subject of broad heads I would recommend that you check out Lusk Archery's YouTube channel. John Lusk tests just about every broad head made and gives them score. He literally tries to destroy a broad head. The only thing that I don't agree with in his test is the penetration test. He shoots into ballistic gel and I don't think it comes anywhere close to simulating going through an animal. John also has discount codes for some of the heads that he has tested.
If you decide to go with some of the high-end broadheads there's a company that will let you test before you purchase, it's called Broad Head Connection. It's kind of like a lease to own deal. You pick a couple of different heads to try, pay a fee, return them and your money is applied to what you want to purchase. It beats paying over a hundred bucks for 3 heads that you find you don't like.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Feb 2, 2024 19:02:47 GMT -5
I gave some bad info on Broadhead Connection, they don't sell heads, they just rent them to you. It's still a good way to test high-end broadheads. It's amazing what some sell for. A lot of the Bishop heads go for over a hundred bucks a piece.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Feb 27, 2024 10:29:16 GMT -5
I had a few hours to burn yesterday so I ended up hanging out at the archery shop. They were rigging out a target bow that when fully accessorized it would cost over 4 grand, the bare bow was 2300 dollars.😳😳😳 What was more amazing was a guy ordering the hunting model of that bow(2 grand) and having to wait for 20 weeks to get it in. There was a waiting list of people ahead of him covering 2 pages of a large yellow memo pad. Thirty years ago the father of the owner of this shop asked me if I thought a bow shop would work in the area. I told him that with gearing up for high end bows and good service that it would. I never would have believed that the archery business would have grown into what it is today.
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Post by bullfrog on Feb 28, 2024 9:35:26 GMT -5
I had a few hours to burn yesterday so I ended up hanging out at the archery shop. They were rigging out a target bow that when fully accessorized it would cost over 4 grand, the bare bow was 2300 dollars.😳😳😳 What was more amazing was a guy ordering the hunting model of that bow(2 grand) and having to wait for 20 weeks to get it in. There was a waiting list of people ahead of him covering 2 pages of a large yellow memo pad. Thirty years ago the father of the owner of this shop asked me if I thought a bow shop would work in the area. I told him that with gearing up for high end bows and good service that it would. I never would have believed that the archery business would have grown into what it is today. The archery industry is not unlike the airgun industry. Both make quality products that can last a lifetime, but they’re also driven to sell you the newest touted technology every few years to keep you buying new bows and guns. My last bow was a high-end Hoyt I bought somewhere around 2002 or 2003. Still shoots like a champ. I do believe a new bow will shoot significantly faster and would be lighter. But there has to be a point where good enough is enough.
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Post by bullfrog on Feb 28, 2024 9:46:44 GMT -5
I had a few hours to burn yesterday so I ended up hanging out at the archery shop. They were rigging out a target bow that when fully accessorized it would cost over 4 grand, the bare bow was 2300 dollars.😳😳😳 What was more amazing was a guy ordering the hunting model of that bow(2 grand) and having to wait for 20 weeks to get it in. There was a waiting list of people ahead of him covering 2 pages of a large yellow memo pad. Thirty years ago the father of the owner of this shop asked me if I thought a bow shop would work in the area. I told him that with gearing up for high end bows and good service that it would. I never would have believed that the archery business would have grown into what it is today. The archery industry is not unlike the airgun industry. Both make quality products that can last a lifetime, but they’re also driven to sell you the newest touted technology every few years to keep you buying new bows and guns. My last bow was a high-end Hoyt I bought somewhere around 2002 or 2003. Still shoots like a champ. I do believe a new bow will shoot significantly faster and would be lighter. But there has to be a point where good enough is enough. I actually just compared stats between my 2002-2003 Hoyt Cybertec to their 2024 flagship carbon bow. The 2024 bow shoots about 50fps faster but actually weights a hair more. I think I’ll keep my Cybertec.
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