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Post by ogbohica on Nov 29, 2023 17:06:29 GMT -5
You guys have it all wrong... THEY always told us this practice never happens and we had great imaginations. Ha total BOHICA
They sprayed a trail on okeechobee coming from Harney to Moonshine to make it wider? For what Fking reason?
This use it or loose it mentality at FWC is Horse shit
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cortr
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Post by cortr on Nov 30, 2023 7:55:02 GMT -5
If they keep spraying Lake O as in the past, there will no hard bottom for fish to spawn. After spraying, all the vegetation dies and creates a muck on the bottom that is impossible for fish to make beds. Last year, spawning was restricted to two main area, one one the north end, and the other the other around South Bay. The important resource to Florida is being destroyed by overzealous aquatic plant management. If something is not done, this body of water will become another casualty of poor management. The high water levels are doing enough damage, and the spraying is only making the problem worse. Wake up SFWMD before it is too late. It as if the purpose of water managers is to make Lake O a storage reservoir for Big Sugar, rather than maximizing the recreational value.
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 30, 2023 8:06:51 GMT -5
I feel the only TRUE interest in Lake O at this point is water storage for a growing population.
They don't care as much about quality as they do about quantity. Plants take up much needed volume in the water column and restrict the ability to move water efficiently and effectively. Even the STAs have never once met their Federally mandated goals to reduce P to desired levels and seem more about storage than filtering. Time will tell how they will evolve and what forms of legislative bastardization will be snuck in away from public view to help facilitate the "new" goals.
When you add the interference from the NPS, which does not allow water discharges, that were once a natural occurrence through hydrological percolation, and a never ending onslaught of aquatic spraying you get what we have today; a mucky, turbid toilet bowl that drastically needs to be flushed. IMHO
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 30, 2023 8:20:15 GMT -5
Lake O is the new Lake Apopka.
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 30, 2023 8:37:05 GMT -5
Yup, he who owns the water will be king in S fl.... why have they added height to all the impoundment dikes? Why have they shored up lake O dike so it can retain higher water.
Someone who is good with computer can go to google earth and do a time lapse on lake O and see just how much SAV and marsh has been reduced over the yrs.
Area 3 North and South will become another cattail swamp just as the STA's are now.
Very sad state of affairs, get what you can get out of them now times running out fast
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Post by cyclist on Nov 30, 2023 8:38:24 GMT -5
If they keep spraying Lake O as in the past, there will no hard bottom for fish to spawn. After spraying, all the vegetation dies and creates a muck on the bottom that is impossible for fish to make beds. Last year, spawning was restricted to two main area, one one the north end, and the other the other around South Bay. The important resource to Florida is being destroyed by overzealous aquatic plant management. If something is not done, this body of water will become another casualty of poor management. The high water levels are doing enough damage, and the spraying is only making the problem worse. Wake up SFWMD before it is too late. It as if the purpose of water managers is to make Lake O a storage reservoir for Big Sugar, rather than maximizing the recreational value. The damming is the main reason for muck. Not allowed to flood or dry down.
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 30, 2023 9:50:32 GMT -5
The muck started when they stopped allowing the drag nets many yrs ago.Another ACOE blunder
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Post by richm on Nov 30, 2023 13:51:59 GMT -5
I always understood that the muck was created by dead vegetation - organics. Kinda like the topsoil you find in gutters.
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 30, 2023 14:02:43 GMT -5
NATURAL eutrophication IS ONE THING, sorry about caps.. but sediment running in from the North is not.The old cat fishermen kept the lake clean and water always went down the Caloosahatchee. Since DEP and ACOE banned drag nets nobody but the occasional storm shakes up the bottom. Now ADD SFWM and FWCC desires to spray poison everywhere and the cocktail recipe isnt rocket science.
ZERO accountability. Next time plant a phycological seed in a person's head who makes these decisions and let them know the legacy they are leaving behind. For some, they couldn't take it anymore and left, they did the right thing.
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sgp
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Post by sgp on Nov 30, 2023 14:40:44 GMT -5
Last Wednesday I was at my lease bordering Harney Pond Canal several miles north of Lakeport, and there was an airboat spraying the canal all day. There is zero submerged vegetation in the canal, and it is currently completely devoid of hyacinths and water lettuce. They sprayed all day anyways, and just hosed down the canal banks 10 or 15 feet up from the water edge.
It sure seems like they have a contract to spray a fixed amount of poison on a fixed schedule, so they spray poison in and around the water even if there is no water vegetation left to spray.
The whole spray program really needs to be stopped, and reevaluated. The water weed spraying is probably what is really killing the southern half of the state, including all the grass in Florida Bay and the Keys reef, yet you only ever hear about the sugar farmers. Farmers use as little chemical as possible because it is expensive and takes straight from their profits, while the spray program seems to be paid to waste chemicals even if unnecessary.
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Post by bowhunter4life on Nov 30, 2023 15:40:58 GMT -5
Last Wednesday I was at my lease bordering Harney Pond Canal several miles north of Lakeport, and there was an airboat spraying the canal all day. There is zero submerged vegetation in the canal, and it is currently completely devoid of hyacinths and water lettuce. They sprayed all day anyways, and just hosed down the canal banks 10 or 15 feet up from the water edge. It sure seems like they have a contract to spray a fixed amount of poison on a fixed schedule, so they spray poison in and around the water even if there is no water vegetation left to spray. The whole spray program really needs to be stopped, and reevaluated. The water weed spraying is probably what is really killing the southern half of the state, including all the grass in Florida Bay and the Keys reef, yet you only ever hear about the sugar farmers. Farmers use as little chemical as possible because it is expensive and takes straight from their profits, while the spray program seems to be paid to waste chemicals even if unnecessary. This is what I have witnessed many times. They spray everything! Vegetation, banks of canals, open water, ditches on the side of the road etc…. They must get paid to empty their tanks everyday…. It’s all about big money contracts!🤑
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