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Post by snappaslappa on Oct 11, 2023 15:58:17 GMT -5
It is outrageous that they call it science, maybe vodoo science. But seriously, these kind of actions in the scientific arena undercut the validity of real science and the scientific process. In fact, its not really science, it is not peer reviewed nor can data and results be explained, let alone replicated. So its politics. And corruption. Snappa slappa - its gonna have to be sportfishing for gags on plugs and lures nearshore. Save lots of gas and time. Yea, pretty much. frustrating.
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Post by anumber1 on Oct 11, 2023 16:32:03 GMT -5
I just fished a few miles offshore here in Hudson in 8' of water and all the 26-32" Gags you could catch. We were catching and releasing 30 inchers after we got our 3 person limit live chumming with greenbacks and throwing plugs. The amount of Gags out there is astounding. Agreed. I seriously wonder if any of the decision makers actually spend time on the water. Pretty soon you won't be able to catch a grunt because of the gags! year class and recruitment... you of all people should be able to understand this?
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Post by drgibby on Oct 12, 2023 7:45:33 GMT -5
I certainly understand enough to know the difference between piss and rain when it's hitting me! In the past 10 -15 years the gag fishing off Pinellas, where I fish has been consistent as ever. I have my personal logs ( I have been keeping on every trip since 1985) to show that. I guess if we lost a year class of fish, I somehow missed it. I certainly understand science. But it is the scientific method that I have trouble with. Especially when the " so - called" scientists admit that the recreational effort has be overestimated by as much as 40 %. Yet they turn around and make changes to the seasons without factoring in that giant overestimation! Some things never change.
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Post by anumber1 on Oct 12, 2023 9:37:35 GMT -5
Not enough fish from inshore making it to deep water abd changing from female to male.
i.e. not enough big males for reproduction.
100% sure you have never caught a male inshore.
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Post by drgibby on Oct 12, 2023 10:47:19 GMT -5
Not enough fish from inshore making it to deep water abd changing from female to male. i.e. not enough big males for reproduction. 100% sure you have never caught a male inshore. Never said I caught a rusty belly inside 140 feet. Wouldn't it make more sense to close fishing where the males live? My bad, I forgot that making sense did not fit with the science or the agenda!
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Post by snappaslappa on Oct 12, 2023 11:16:09 GMT -5
How many Gags do you think they estimated were caught today in the Tornadoes? 5000lbs? 10000lbs?
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Post by anumber1 on Oct 12, 2023 18:54:05 GMT -5
How many Gags do you think they estimated were caught today in the Tornadoes? 5000lbs? 10000lbs? better question is how many yesterday and previous.... don't ya think?
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Post by anumber1 on Oct 12, 2023 18:57:30 GMT -5
Not enough fish from inshore making it to deep water abd changing from female to male. i.e. not enough big males for reproduction. 100% sure you have never caught a male inshore. Never said I caught a rusty belly inside 140 feet. Wouldn't it make more sense to close fishing where the males live? My bad, I forgot that making sense did not fit with the science or the agenda! The problem is the removal of the females inshore BEFORE they migrate offshre to change sex... you ain't that dense or maybe you are??? go back and search Doc Stressors posts, he explains it better than me.
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Post by snappaslappa on Oct 12, 2023 20:28:53 GMT -5
How many Gags do you think they estimated were caught today in the Tornadoes? 5000lbs? 10000lbs? better question is how many yesterday and previous.... don't ya think? Not a lot...at least from everyone I know and follow and that is a pretty big sample. Not a lot of rec anglers will run in 3-4's not to mention middle of the week. I bet is is under what they "estimate" that's for sure.
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Post by anumber1 on Oct 13, 2023 4:41:54 GMT -5
hard to get 3-4 in 6'
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Post by drgibby on Oct 13, 2023 6:45:21 GMT -5
Never said I caught a rusty belly inside 140 feet. Wouldn't it make more sense to close fishing where the males live? My bad, I forgot that making sense did not fit with the science or the agenda! The problem is the removal of the females inshore BEFORE they migrate offshre to change sex... you ain't that dense or maybe you are??? go back and search Doc Stressors posts, he explains it better than me. The stated problem was that the males were being removed too fast or accounted for too small of the percentage of the breeding population than the "historical" record showed. This was based on samplings from closed areas compared to non- closed areas. Whereas the populations in the "closed" were in much better shape. GO figure that one! There were plenty of males where you were not allowed to fish for them. Therefore, closing the area to harvest would solve the problem! It is all about how one chooses to interpret the available data. I may be dense, but you might have a comprehension problem.....................
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Post by snappaslappa on Oct 13, 2023 14:08:07 GMT -5
hard to get 3-4 in 6 You know damn well 90%+ Gag fisherman aren't fishing in 6-8' for Gags. I am being modest with THAT number too. Not to mention if conditions aren't right, you aren't getting them in 6-8 either. Long story short, the catch count is NOT accounting for bad weather days and lack of fishing pressure this year. I fish for a living and run a 36' boat and If I can barely make it out to fish for Gags, I'm sure the smaller boats aren't making it out there either.
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Post by snappaslappa on Oct 13, 2023 14:10:06 GMT -5
Amen! Been saying this for years.
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Post by anumber1 on Oct 13, 2023 14:17:45 GMT -5
hard to get 3-4 in 6 You know damn well 90%+ Gag fisherman aren't fishing in 6-8' for Gags. I am being modest with THAT number too. Not to mention if conditions aren't right, you aren't getting them in 6-8 either. Long story short, the catch count is NOT accounting for bad weather days and lack of fishing pressure this year. I fish for a living and run a 36' boat and If I can barely make it out to fish for Gags, I'm sure the smaller boats aren't making it out there either. where do you fish out of?
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Post by snappaslappa on Oct 13, 2023 18:01:32 GMT -5
where do you fish out of? We run out of Hudson. Fish all the way south past Clearwater and all the way north to Crystal River, and everywhere between.
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