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Post by Mynki on Sept 19, 2024 11:24:10 GMT -5
I know of nobody who would even consider eating a carp. The Polish eat it as part of a traditional 12 course Christmas meal. I've met Floridians who eat both hard head and sailfin catfish. Not sure which of the three I'd avoid eating the most? |
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 19, 2024 11:28:09 GMT -5
I’ve heard of people eating the sailcats, not hard heads. But hell, people eat gar. Different strokes as they say.
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Post by jcbcpa on Sept 19, 2024 14:46:29 GMT -5
My brother and me used to have a house on Spring Creek, a small south Ga. creek that runs into the Flint River at Lake Seminole.
In the fall/winter we would bait up spots and fish for Red Horse Suckers. They are really good gashed and fried. Anyway, we would always wind up
catching carp and we gave them to a Vietnamese lady that lived down the road from my brother. She would cut them up, run them through a hand grinder and
make carp croquettes, she called them carp balls. They were very tasty.
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Post by Mynki on Sept 20, 2024 3:27:44 GMT -5
I’ve heard of people eating the sailcats, not hard heads. But hell, people eat gar. Different strokes as they say. Yeah, they were popular with the Miccosukee I believe. Caught a lot of decent sized Florida gar, but never see them in the large shoals like I once used too these days. I bet their a bitch to clean though. And I don't really want to eat freshwater fish from the glades these days after reading about all of the mercury they can contain. |
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 20, 2024 11:16:12 GMT -5
Never done it but I heard you use tin snips down the backbone, then run your fingers down the back strap.
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Post by lemaymiami on Sept 21, 2024 7:46:02 GMT -5
The carp is widely eaten in the Orient... and 100 years ago sailcats were on the menu in fancy restaurants here in Floridafrom what I've read... For Mynki... that MIdas cichlid is one specie I've never come across...
By the way... I can take a jack crevalle, widely thought to be very poor table fare - and turn it into the best "tunafish" salad you've ever eaten... something I learned more than forty years ago back when the Florida Sportsman magazine was the one fishing mag you looked forward to reading... One of many recipes I've read in that and other magazines over the years...
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Post by jcbcpa on Sept 22, 2024 3:38:32 GMT -5
The carp is widely eaten in the Orient... and 100 years ago sailcats were on the menu in fancy restaurants here in Floridafrom what I've read... For Mynki... that MIdas cichlid is one specie I've never come across... By the way... I can take a jack crevalle, widely thought to be very poor table fare - and turn it into the best "tunafish" salad you've ever eaten... something I learned more than forty years ago back when the Florida Sportsman magazine was the one fishing mag you looked forward to reading... One of many recipes I've read in that and other magazines over the years... Will you share your recipe? |
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Post by bullfrog on Sept 22, 2024 9:11:48 GMT -5
I know of nobody who would even consider eating a carp. Asians like them. Golfish and koi are human-made variants of carp. Originally their bright colors made them easy to find on the rice paddies they were raised on. I couldn't bring myself to eat one. For much of my life I couldn't eat fish period. Now I like fresh fish of certain species. It has to be meticulously cleaned for my taste. No hint of slime on the meat. So that generally means I have to prepare my own. I do like sashimi from places that handle it correctly. |
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Post by bullfrog on Sept 22, 2024 9:19:33 GMT -5
I'm no longer a big stickler on the introduction of exotics into new places. They definitely can be a major detriment. But many exotics are not. All species in this world came from progenitor species that came from somewhere else. Often "species" is just a locally adapted "kind" of animal that has a more word-wide distribution. A lion is a tiger is a leopard. They're just the collie, bulldog, and malamute versions of each other adapted to different habitats or lifestyles.
Life adapts or dies. Nothing in nature is static for more than a few centuries. I personally would love to live somewhere where a myriad of aquarium species of fish are at my doorstep and I could have the pleasure of catching them and either keeping or eating some of them.
I wish we had multiple species of deer running around the woods like the British have, where they imported deer from all over their empire.
We would have red junglefowl (the original wild chickens here) established in the Florida woods per a Federal and GFC stocking program, but for its failure in the 1960s and 70s due to the birds being unable to cope with native diseases in their pure state.
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Post by lemaymiami on Sept 22, 2024 9:26:16 GMT -5
Here's that recipe (and just thinking about it makes me consider bringing a small jack home the next time I run into a two or three pounder..).
Filet the jack, then reverse the filet and skin it - leaving nothing but meat (no bones...). With a sharp knife remove all of the red meat (the blood line) from each filet and discard- then keep on ice or refrigerate until ready to cook. Place in shallow pan and cover with a poaching solution - water with spices of choice (I like Old Bay seasoning) -and just enough liquid to cover filets.. then simmer for ten minutes per pound of fish. Remove from heat and drain off liquid allowing your filets to cool. Place filets on a plate and pat dry - then rub in a small amount of olive oil (maybe a nickel sized drop for each filet) into the top surface of each filet and refrigerate, plate and all.. The next day, remove cooked fish, flake with a fork into a bowl - then make your "tuna salad" any way you choose. It will be far superior to canned tuna... Enjoy.
This is how I remember the recipe from Florida Sportsman and every now and then I get a craving for a little home cooking...
And for anyone that's wringing their hands about exotics... that great brown trout that freshwater anglers love to tangle with... came from Germany originally...
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 22, 2024 9:30:18 GMT -5
Sounds like S.FL has turned into the aquarium thing you are talking about. Bet if you are a somewhat decent fisherman you could probably catch 20 different species in a weekend.
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Post by Mynki on Sept 22, 2024 12:06:24 GMT -5
I wish we had multiple species of deer running around the woods like the British have, where they imported deer from all over their empire. There are six species of deer in the UK. Red and roe deer are native. Their red deer are very closely related to elk in the US. They're simply a sub species of Cervus elaphus. Fallow deer were introduced by the Romans to be hunted in the 11th century, so they are considered 'naturalised'. Sika deer originate from Japan. They escaped from deer parks and as a fellow Cervus species now hybridise with red deer. These hybrids Cervus elaphus x Cervus nippon are ultimately genetic crap and have caused a lot of damage to the gene pool, particularly in mainland Scotland. Muntjac deer which originate from Asia also escaped from UK based deer parks. They have a very high rate of fecundity (reproduction) and give birth to young every 9 months or so. They don't have clearly defined breeding seasons like the other species. But they a very serious threat to biodiversity there. They eat a lot of vegetation, the vegetation which provides habitat for insect. Fewer insects equals fewer birds. The UK has a charity called the RSPB (Royal Society for the Protection of Birds). They have quietly sanctioned a number of muntjac culls. The problem is, they have spread throughout England and Wales and are causing a lot of damage! Chinese Water Deer aka CWD you've guessed it, also escaped from deer parks (zoo type facilities). They are located in a very small part of Southern England. However here they have thrived and there are now more wild CWD in England than there are in China! Weirdly, they don't roam. They live and die in just three or four acres in some cases! The sika and muntjac are a very real problem to the ecosystems in the UK. The only good thing is people who hunt deer in the UK like me have more options to hunt different species. We also have wild boar too now. What you'd call feral hogs. These also escaped farms and made their way in to the wilds. They're not a truly wild species. They were cross bred with domestic pigs to produce more meat etc. They also cause huge problems for farmers and industry. They're also dangerous too and have been known to attack people and their dogs when out walking! I guess what I'm saying is, there's not many positives for these invasives! The UK is full of carp too! Common carp, mirror carp and the much smaller crucian carp. The crucians are a lot of fun to catch on light tackle as they punch well beyond their weight. |
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Post by Mynki on Sept 22, 2024 12:11:03 GMT -5
Sounds like S.FL has turned into the aquarium thing you are talking about. Bet if you are a somewhat decent fisherman you could probably catch 20 different species in a weekend. You can do it in a day. Stay in Everglades City, head out into 10k in a boat and throw out a load of live shrimp in the morning. You will catch a lot of trash fish, but you know what I'm saying. Then drive into big cypress and fish the canals using night crawlers and jigs. You'll catch a number of panfish, cichlids and others quickly. When fishing with my young son off bridges in the Keys you can easily catch 8 to 10 species in just a couple of hours. Particularly if you scale down and go for the small stuff.  |
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 22, 2024 12:28:20 GMT -5
I wish we had multiple species of deer running around the woods like the British have, where they imported deer from all over their empire. There are six species of deer in the UK. Red and roe deer are native. Their red deer are very closely related to elk in the US. They're simply a sub species of Cervus elaphus. Fallow deer were introduced by the Romans to be hunted in the 11th century, so they are considered 'naturalised'. Sika deer originate from Japan. They escaped from deer parks and as a fellow Cervus species now hybridise with red deer. These hybrids Cervus elaphus x Cervus nippon are ultimately genetic crap and have caused a lot of damage to the gene pool, particularly in mainland Scotland. Muntjac deer which originate from Asia also escaped from UK based deer parks. They have a very high rate of fecundity (reproduction) and give birth to young every 9 months or so. They don't have clearly defined breeding seasons like the other species. But they a very serious threat to biodiversity there. They eat a lot of vegetation, the vegetation which provides habitat for insect. Fewer insects equals fewer birds. The UK has a charity called the RSPB (Royal Society for the Protection of Birds). They have quietly sanctioned a number of muntjac culls. The problem is, they have spread throughout England and Wales and are causing a lot of damage! Chinese Water Deer aka CWD you've guessed it, also escaped from deer parks (zoo type facilities). They are located in a very small part of Southern England. However here they have thrived and there are now more wild CWD in England than there are in China! Weirdly, they don't roam. They live and die in just three or four acres in some cases! The sika and muntjac are a very real problem to the ecosystems in the UK. The only good thing is people who hunt deer in the UK like me have more options to hunt different species. We also have wild boar too now. What you'd call feral hogs. These also escaped farms and made their way in to the wilds. They're not a truly wild species. They were cross bred with domestic pigs to produce more meat etc. They also cause huge problems for farmers and industry. They're also dangerous too and have been known to attack people and their dogs when out walking! I guess what I'm saying is, there's not many positives for these invasives! The UK is full of carp too! Common carp, mirror carp and the much smaller crucian carp. The crucians are a lot of fun to catch on light tackle as they punch well beyond their weight. Whats the hunting rifle laws in the UK? Can you buy a high powered bolt action rifle? Or is it all shotgun hunting? |
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Post by bullfrog on Sept 22, 2024 12:36:13 GMT -5
I wish we had multiple species of deer running around the woods like the British have, where they imported deer from all over their empire. There are six species of deer in the UK. Red and roe deer are native. Their red deer are very closely related to elk in the US. They're simply a sub species of Cervus elaphus. Fallow deer were introduced by the Romans to be hunted in the 11th century, so they are considered 'naturalised'. Sika deer originate from Japan. They escaped from deer parks and as a fellow Cervus species now hybridise with red deer. These hybrids Cervus elaphus x Cervus nippon are ultimately genetic crap and have caused a lot of damage to the gene pool, particularly in mainland Scotland. Muntjac deer which originate from Asia also escaped from UK based deer parks. They have a very high rate of fecundity (reproduction) and give birth to young every 9 months or so. They don't have clearly defined breeding seasons like the other species. But they a very serious threat to biodiversity there. They eat a lot of vegetation, the vegetation which provides habitat for insect. Fewer insects equals fewer birds. The UK has a charity called the RSPB (Royal Society for the Protection of Birds). They have quietly sanctioned a number of muntjac culls. The problem is, they have spread throughout England and Wales and are causing a lot of damage! Chinese Water Deer aka CWD you've guessed it, also escaped from deer parks (zoo type facilities). They are located in a very small part of Southern England. However here they have thrived and there are now more wild CWD in England than there are in China! Weirdly, they don't roam. They live and die in just three or four acres in some cases! The sika and muntjac are a very real problem to the ecosystems in the UK. The only good thing is people who hunt deer in the UK like me have more options to hunt different species. We also have wild boar too now. What you'd call feral hogs. These also escaped farms and made their way in to the wilds. They're not a truly wild species. They were cross bred with domestic pigs to produce more meat etc. They also cause huge problems for farmers and industry. They're also dangerous too and have been known to attack people and their dogs when out walking! I guess what I'm saying is, there's not many positives for these invasives! The UK is full of carp too! Common carp, mirror carp and the much smaller crucian carp. The crucians are a lot of fun to catch on light tackle as they punch well beyond their weight. It's a positive for humans, and a positive for the invasives. Nature is full of winners and losers, and humans are usually the judges as to which species thrive or die out. Nature was designed that way. There was no natural balance before man. There was no nature before man. Nature is what we let it be. We often do manage it wrongly. But sometimes we do it right. But it's always us making the call. |
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Post by Mynki on Sept 22, 2024 12:42:31 GMT -5
Whats the hunting rifle laws in the UK? Can you buy a high powered bolt action rifle? Or is it all shotgun hunting? I use a .243 for small deer with 100 grain expanding rifle cartridges and a .30-06 with 150 to 180 grain expanding rifle cartridges for large stags at longer ranges and in Africa for large antelope etc. It's unlawful to use a shotgun in almost all cases to hunt deer in the UK. The only exception is a crofter protecting his crops from marauding deer etc. There are two laws covering all aspects of deer hunting in the UK. One that covers England and Wales and one that covers Scotland (local politics is to blame here). You need a license to purchase any firearm. The police will perform background checks on the applicant. They will also seek medical records to make sure there is no history of mental illness. Then you need to provide 'good reason' for owning a firearm. The 'good reason' being a legal definition and not anyone's opinion! As long as you have permission to hunt on ground containing deer you can apply for a high powered rifle no problem. The UK has training courses for wannabee deer hunters which they call deer stalkers. The course covers deer species, hunting seasons, firearms such as minimum calibre and ammunition size, health and safety and the law etc. You'll find similar in most of Europe too. Once you have these qualifications you essentially prove your competence to the police in that you know what you doing so you won't shoot a species out of season etc. This sounds too much for many Americans, but in reality hunting accidents are pretty much unheard of in the UK as a result. Popular calibres are .243, .270, 3.08 and for those who travel to Africa the .30-06. 6.5 x 55 Swede has also become very popular in recent years. It's a great round with a nice flat trajectory. Different species have different requirements though. The large species of deer (Red, sika and fallow) require a minimum of 100 grain rifle rounds etc fired from a .243. In some Scandanavian countries they require more power fire power. I own an air rifle, .22LR, .243, .30-06 and 12 gauge shotgun so am covered for pretty much everythin in the UK, Europe and all plains game in Africa. I'll need to upgrade one day when I go for a cape buffalo! |
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 22, 2024 12:51:56 GMT -5
That’s god stuff, I think most Americans have the perception that guns are virtually outlawed in the UK. To be honest I kinda thought that as well.
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Post by Mynki on Sept 22, 2024 12:56:23 GMT -5
That’s god stuff, I think most Americans have the perception that guns are virtually outlawed in the UK. To be honest I kinda thought that as well. That's my experience too. But Brits have always been big on field sports and shooting. It's not that difficult to buy a licensed firearm really. The only stumbling blocks are if you have a serious criminal record or mental health issues etc. But in my opinion, that isn't a bad thing! |
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 22, 2024 12:58:04 GMT -5
That’s god stuff, I think most Americans have the perception that guns are virtually outlawed in the UK. To be honest I kinda thought that as well. That's my experience too. But Brits have always been big on field sports and shooting. It's not that difficult to buy a licensed firearm really. The only stumbling blocks are if you have a serious criminal record or mental health issues etc. But in my opinion, that isn't a bad thing! Easy now, or this thread will end up in politics 😉 |
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Post by Mynki on Sept 22, 2024 13:06:51 GMT -5
Easy now, or this thread will end up in politics 😉  Yeah, I have to say I prefer the general fishing forum to the crap I read in the political forum! |
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Post by Mynki on Sept 24, 2024 0:21:28 GMT -5
For Mynki... that MIdas cichlid is one specie I've never come across... It's my understanding that they only have a small localised range near Miami. There's a few videos of people catching them in the canals near there. I imagine their colouration results in many being predated on by birds and other fish which is possibly why they're not massively successful like Midas cichlids. |
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Post by Mynki on Sept 24, 2024 0:23:53 GMT -5
It's a positive for humans, and a positive for the invasives. Nature is full of winners and losers, and humans are usually the judges as to which species thrive or die out. Nature was designed that way. There was no natural balance before man. There was no nature before man. Nature is what we let it be. We often do manage it wrongly. But sometimes we do it right. But it's always us making the call. That would depend on the human. It's a positive for the CWD long term species survival. Run some Google searches on how much invasive species cost government and industry. It's tens of billions of dollars annually. I can't think of any tangible benefits of having Burmese pythons in the Everglades. Especially as it's such a fragile ecosystem under immense pressure as it is. I agree that man has managed to screw things up. You could argue that the best thing that could happen to our planet would be a massive decrease in the number of humans living on it! |
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Post by Mynki on Oct 30, 2024 2:15:13 GMT -5
I stumbled across this video on Youtube. The author claims there are Flowerhorns in the Everglades. There may be, it's highly unlikely and he certainly isn't catching them as he's misidentified the fish he's catching. A Flowerhorn is a man made hybrid of Cichlid species produced in Asia and sold into the fish keeping industry. He's actually catching Quetzal cichlids (Vieja synspilum). These are one of the species used to create the hybrid flowerhorns. A beautiful species in their own right. Has anyone in FL come across these before? This is a real 'Flowerhorn'.  |
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Post by Mynki on Oct 30, 2024 2:29:29 GMT -5
So I watched another of this guys videos. It seems there's African Haplochromis sp in Florida and Asian Pangasius catfish too!
It looks like a tropical fish store just emptied its tanks into a local canal!
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Post by Mynki on Oct 30, 2024 4:48:12 GMT -5
A third video started playing. I suspect a lot of this content is staged and fake.
He's also a moron. The kid claims that Axolotls become tiger salamanders in one video....
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