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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 29, 2023 16:36:30 GMT -5
All these young women sure know how to use the Internet, but they can’t figure out how to take a pill each day? At my age I have to take a few pills each day, and I don’t usually forget them. I guess we'll find out next November if they see that your way.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 29, 2023 16:45:54 GMT -5
I don’t think Dobbs will have much to do with the election outcome. Its more about what’s more odious; a senile Biden or Trump being Trump. Besides, the politics of a legal decision should be irrelevant. Voter agreement or rage has nothing to do whether something is a Constitutional right or not based on the current Amendments. That the current Supreme Court decided to correct a long standing legal fiction because their judicial philosophy demands fidelity to the Constitution as written, is what it is.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 29, 2023 17:12:19 GMT -5
His mental breakdown today is especially entertaining.
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Post by cadman on Jul 29, 2023 17:17:42 GMT -5
Not all women can take the pill long-term. It does have side effects.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jul 29, 2023 17:54:51 GMT -5
Not all women can take the pill long-term. It does have side effects. There are many other methods of birth control. Convenience Abortion is not among the morally acceptable methods. When does life begin? Upon conception? Upon the first heartbeat? Once life begins the BABY has a soul. Abortion after this point is MURDER plain and simple. More than 94 million abortions have been performed since Roe/Wade first became law. Hopefully none ended a life but I have reached the heartbreaking conclusion that there had to be many lives ended and many souls lost.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 29, 2023 22:40:22 GMT -5
Not all women can take the pill long-term. It does have side effects. There are many other methods of birth control. Convenience Abortion is not among the morally acceptable methods. When does life begin? Upon conception? Upon the first heartbeat? Once life begins the BABY has a soul. Abortion after this point is MURDER plain and simple. More than 94 million abortions have been performed since Roe/Wade first became law. Hopefully none ended a life but I have reached the heartbreaking conclusion that there had to be many lives ended and many souls lost. I'll leave this tidbit of history on abortion before getting back to the OT of TDS. The view you stated is relatively new in the US. Did you ever wonder why Jesus said nothing against abortion? It's because the life of the mother requires it in Jewish law. Abortion was commonplace in America through most of it's history, and considered a natural part of life and childbirth. magazine.jhsph.edu/2022/brief-history-abortion-us
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Post by olmucky on Jul 29, 2023 22:53:28 GMT -5
Not all women can take the pill long-term. It does have side effects. Is that the red pill or the blue pill?
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 29, 2023 23:39:15 GMT -5
There are many other methods of birth control. Convenience Abortion is not among the morally acceptable methods. When does life begin? Upon conception? Upon the first heartbeat? Once life begins the BABY has a soul. Abortion after this point is MURDER plain and simple. More than 94 million abortions have been performed since Roe/Wade first became law. Hopefully none ended a life but I have reached the heartbreaking conclusion that there had to be many lives ended and many souls lost. I'll leave this tidbit of history on abortion before getting back to the OT of TDS. The view you stated is relatively new in the US. Did you ever wonder why Jesus said nothing against abortion? It's because the life of the mother requires it in Jewish law. Abortion was commonplace in America through most of it's history, and considered a natural part of life and childbirth. magazine.jhsph.edu/2022/brief-history-abortion-usThe notion that abortion is acceptable to save the life of the mother in Judaism comes from Talmudic Judaism, which was after the time of Christ. In ancient Judaism, the Old Testament law on miscarriages caused by a human was interpreted to require the execution of the person who caused the miscarriage. Its actually from that law relating to causing a miscarriage that the term “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” comes from in the Bible. In Talmudic Judaism, that law was reinterpreted to only require a fine for the miscarriage. Christ wouldn’t have needed to address it as the understanding of the law on it was clear during His time. Just as he never mentioned homosexuality either. That it was a sin was so obvious in the Hebrew scriptures that it need not have been addressed.
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Post by Captj on Jul 30, 2023 3:12:49 GMT -5
I'll leave this tidbit of history on abortion before getting back to the OT of TDS. The view you stated is relatively new in the US. Did you ever wonder why Jesus said nothing against abortion? It's because the life of the mother requires it in Jewish law. Abortion was commonplace in America through most of it's history, and considered a natural part of life and childbirth. magazine.jhsph.edu/2022/brief-history-abortion-usThe notion that abortion is acceptable to save the life of the mother in Judaism comes from Talmudic Judaism, which was after the time of Christ. In ancient Judaism, the Old Testament law on miscarriages caused by a human was interpreted to require the execution of the person who caused the miscarriage. Its actually from that law relating to causing a miscarriage that the term “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” comes from in the Bible. In Talmudic Judaism, that law was reinterpreted to only require a fine for the miscarriage. Christ wouldn’t have needed to address it as the understanding of the law on it was clear during His time. Just as he never mentioned homosexuality either. That it was a sin was so obvious in the Hebrew scriptures that it need not have been addressed. Talmudic scholars have been examining and debating every letter in every word in The Torah since the beginning of time in organized Judaism. For subsequent religious offshoots to come up with their own interpretations of Torah is pretty presumptuous. I can't speak to what Jesus might have been thinking or saying. His teachings come to us in various recorded form over a couple of thousand years and everything known about them is in the form of a history created by man for the benefit of the various religions based on his teachings. Most importantly, The Ten Commandments are a pretty good start for an example of what man's behavior in a civil society should be. You can debate the different laws that man has created for society, but I have a hard time knowing what was thought two thousand years ago, and how to apply those thoughts to our current laws. What I think really doesn't matter. Common sense would dictate that the majority of the people will vote for whoever or whatever addresses those things that most directly affect them. We'll see about a few of these social issues in the next election. And yes, I will support whoever wins the presidential election whether Republican, Democrat, or Independant as that person will be the face of our country in the world dynamic. What should really be important is what they are doing for us as a nation. Lying, cheating, or doing things for personal gain should not be tolerated in government. When proven beyond a reasonable doubt by cold hard facts there should not be a partisan reaction to the contrary. Supposedly we're all in it together.
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Post by nikonoclast on Jul 30, 2023 5:11:49 GMT -5
I don’t think Dobbs will have much to do with the election outcome. Its more about what’s more odious; a senile Biden or Trump being Trump. Besides, the politics of a legal decision should be irrelevant. Voter agreement or rage has nothing to do whether something is a Constitutional right or not based on the current Amendments. That the current Supreme Court decided to correct a long standing legal fiction because their judicial philosophy demands fidelity to the Constitution as written, is what it is. "Long standing legal fiction" or not, "Roe vs Wade" was the law of the land, and worked reasonably well. As for the "legal philosophy" of the Supreme Court majority, it's just as big, if not bigger, legal fiction. "Originalism" and "textualism" are just convenient excuses, plain and simple. They have one purpose, and one purpose only: preservation of the status-quo. As fine a document as it is, the Constitution was written 200 years ago. Women were chattel, slavery was legal, and native Americans weren't citizens. In addition, leaches were considered "good medical practice" ... . Would you ask your family doctor to treat your children with "originalism" medicine? Unfortunately, rural peasants demanding fealty to superstition are still allowed to vote. They want all contraception to be illegal, and "biblical punishment" for homosexuals. It's not going to happen, no matter how many "observant Catholics" are packed into the Court. Of course, many thought "president Trump" was a bad joke that would never happen. Did we get what we deserve? ... Probably. Will he get what he deserves? ... We can only hope.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 30, 2023 7:15:20 GMT -5
Talmudic scholars have been examining and debating every letter in every word in The Torah since the beginning of time in organized Judaism. For subsequent religious offshoots to come up with their own interpretations of Torah is pretty presumptuous Talmudic scholars couldn’t have been “debating every letter in every word in The Torah since the beginning of time in organized Judaism” because Talmudic scholars didn’t exist until the late Roman and early Middle Ages periods (200-500 AD), and were an outgrowth of the Pharisees of Jesus’ time, who did not exist in ancient Judaism. A primary difference between the Rabbinical/Talmudic Judaism the Pharisees founded, and the Ancient Judaism that came before, is that the Pharisees taught there was an oral set of laws and ordinances, separate from the written Torah, that Moses handed down by mouth to the priest caste. The Mishnah is a compilation of these secret oral teachings that was written in the Middle Ages and the Talmud is a collection of various Rabbinic interpretations and commentaries. Jesus has strong words against the Pharisee movement: “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men. You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.” Talmudic Judaism looks a lot different than Ancient Judaism. Even the archeology supports that. Many orthodox Jewish traditions didn’t exist before the Pharisee sect became dominant in Jewish life at the turn of the BC-AD eras.
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Post by Captj on Jul 30, 2023 7:52:26 GMT -5
As it is written - by whom? By a religious leader with his own agenda? How many years ago? And how many iterations of these axioms were written?
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 30, 2023 23:34:17 GMT -5
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Post by cadman on Jul 31, 2023 8:42:38 GMT -5
Why does Trump think he is covered by the Presidential Records Act and Biden is not? The act was enacted in 1981 and covers the President and Vice President. Why does Trump think he is special? What am I missing?
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Post by Tarponator on Jul 31, 2023 12:18:25 GMT -5
I'll leave this tidbit of history on abortion before getting back to the OT of TDS. The view you stated is relatively new in the US. Did you ever wonder why Jesus said nothing against abortion? It's because the life of the mother requires it in Jewish law. Abortion was commonplace in America through most of it's history, and considered a natural part of life and childbirth. magazine.jhsph.edu/2022/brief-history-abortion-usThe notion that abortion is acceptable to save the life of the mother in Judaism comes from Talmudic Judaism, which was after the time of Christ. In ancient Judaism, the Old Testament law on miscarriages caused by a human was interpreted to require the execution of the person who caused the miscarriage. Its actually from that law relating to causing a miscarriage that the term “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” comes from in the Bible. In Talmudic Judaism, that law was reinterpreted to only require a fine for the miscarriage. Christ wouldn’t have needed to address it as the understanding of the law on it was clear during His time. Just as he never mentioned homosexuality either. That it was a sin was so obvious in the Hebrew scriptures that it need not have been addressed.That i You are correct in pointing out that the Talmud's position on abortion came after the fact, but I disagree strongly with your linking Exodus law to Christ being silent on the topic:
The Exodus passage is really speaking about two males fighting and resulting in a miscarriage and not at all about abortion, and using that misinterpretation as the basis of why Christ didn't speak about it is more than a stretch in my opinion.
The facts are Christ didn't really care about homosexuality and abortion nearly as much as those who think they are following his teachings and are the loudest voices speaking out against such behavior.
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