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Post by tonyroma on Aug 7, 2023 16:29:26 GMT -5
I don’t like Trump as a person. I would prefer not to have to vote for him in the future. If 2024 comes down to Trump and Biden I will hold my nose and vote for Trump. Do you think Trump broke the law?
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Post by Tarponator on Aug 7, 2023 16:31:12 GMT -5
We will find out.
The better question is: If he's found guilty of those crimes (one, all?), will Conchy (and others) still vote for him?
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Post by conchydong on Aug 7, 2023 16:31:29 GMT -5
Maybe he did and maybe Joe Biden did also. If you want to dig deep, most likely 99% of the other politicians did too. It’s just that they went harder after Trump than they did the others. I don’t think that most “good” people get their selves involved in politics.
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Post by conchydong on Aug 7, 2023 16:35:28 GMT -5
If Trump is found guilty, I will not vote for him. I may write in a candidate, but I will never vote for Joe Biden. In my opinion, Joe Biden has done a lot worse than Donald Trump has in selling out the country but that’s just my opinion and I’m sure some of you will disagree.
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Post by Tarponator on Aug 7, 2023 16:40:49 GMT -5
Although I disagree with your opinion, I can respect that.
I always knew you were one of the good ones, Conchy. Let's see who follows suit.
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Post by restlessnative on Aug 7, 2023 18:04:02 GMT -5
Although I disagree with your opinion, I can respect that.
I always knew you were one of the good ones, Conchy. Let's see who follows suit. What about it do you disagree? I’m with him except I’ll probably vote I again. Can’t bring myself to vote for either of those sleaze balls, or any politician for that matter. Have to hold my nose every time but I’ll dam sure exercise my right.
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Post by Tarponator on Aug 7, 2023 18:09:43 GMT -5
I disagree that Biden is anywhere near close to Trump when it comes to selling out our country... ...and I damn sure appreciate you and everyone else exercising their right to vote. And I sure do hope this next election's headliners aren't the same as last time (i.e. bad and worse)....and I suspect on this we agree.
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Post by nikonoclast on Aug 7, 2023 19:02:19 GMT -5
It’s just that they went harder after Trump than they did the others ... Tell that to Bill and Hillary. Why did the cameras catch my Senator running away from the howling mob? ( After giving them a big raised-fist minutes earlier ) Trump and his henchmen were stopped by Republican judges over and over. Get it? - He Lost. Enjoy this video by his niece, who should know.
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Post by pinman on Aug 7, 2023 20:02:00 GMT -5
I wont go as far to say that the US government is "broken"....but it sure isnt "stellar". If I had voted for Biden I would have voted for the status quo - #politician. Trump was a start to break things up in DC. But it will take a couple of decades or more to change things. It needs to be done with "citizen representatives", just as I believe the founding fathers envisioned. I certainly dont worship Trump as a person, but do embrace him as an "idea". An outsider to bring about change.
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Post by tonyroma on Aug 7, 2023 20:14:19 GMT -5
I wont go as far to say that the US government is "broken"....but it sure isnt "stellar". If I had voted for Biden I would have voted for the status quo - #politician. Trump was a start to break things up in DC. But it will take a couple of decades or more to change things. It needs to be done with "citizen representatives", just as I believe the founding fathers envisioned. I certainly dont worship Trump as a person, but do embrace him as an "idea". An outsider to bring about change. Does he give the Republican Party the best chance to win in 2024?
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Post by pinman on Aug 7, 2023 20:19:55 GMT -5
I wont go as far to say that the US government is "broken"....but it sure isnt "stellar". If I had voted for Biden I would have voted for the status quo - #politician. Trump was a start to break things up in DC. But it will take a couple of decades or more to change things. It needs to be done with "citizen representatives", just as I believe the founding fathers envisioned. I certainly dont worship Trump as a person, but do embrace him as an "idea". An outsider to bring about change. Does he give the Republican Party the best chance to win in 2024? If he doesnt I dont know who would. I used to think our Gov could but his campaign has gone off in the ditch....or so the media would have you believe. The country is so split 50-50 each side is just fighting for that .001% so you cant tell what is going to happen ie: 2016....or maybe ask Ann Coulter....she pegged it back then....
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Post by tonyroma on Aug 7, 2023 20:25:56 GMT -5
I do see some quality candidates for the right, issue is they can’t get any traction because of Trumps stranglehold on his base, not saying that as a negative, just fact. National polls are pretty worthless, the first few primary states will say a lot.
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Post by nikonoclast on Aug 7, 2023 21:11:01 GMT -5
I certainly dont worship Trump as a person, but do embrace him as an "idea". An outsider to bring about change. In the first place, "change" is constant, and always has been. The perception of "change" is yours alone ... and will continue to be. The presidency is not, and never should be, an entry level position. Deep down, America knows that "Drugstore Cowboys" never "save the day". Yes, the lumpen watched Trump play the "boss", and thought it was "real". Trump ... who needed the money ... believed his own publicity. The "base" still thinks Trump's their favorite pro-wrestler. They imagine him beating Congressmen with a folding chair. In one respect, I'm glad that Donald Trump was as unprepared, and dumb, as he is. He didn't have a clue about the powers of the office. Thank heaven nobody explained the concept of a "presidential finding". An "outsider", who's never had a drivers license, will always wreck the car.
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Post by pinman on Aug 7, 2023 21:33:29 GMT -5
I certainly dont worship Trump as a person, but do embrace him as an "idea". An outsider to bring about change. In the first place, "change" is constant, and always has been. The perception of "change" is yours alone ... and will continue to be. The presidency is not, and never should be, an entry level position. Deep down, America knows that "Drugstore Cowboys" never "save the day". Yes, the lumpen watched Trump play the "boss", and thought it was "real". Trump ... who needed the money ... believed his own publicity. The "base" still thinks Trump's their favorite pro-wrestler. They imagine him beating Congressmen with a folding chair. In one respect, I'm glad that Donald Trump was as unprepared, and dumb, as he is. He didn't have a clue about the powers of the office. Thank heaven nobody explained the concept of a "presidential finding". An "outsider", who's never had a drivers license, will always wreck the car. Hmmmm. An outsider who has never had a drivers license will certainly wreck the car if those around him are throwing those folding chairs in front of him constantly. I dont think anyone would say Trump had a fair shake at trying to govern. They, Dems and some Reps, were after him from minus day 100. One has to wonder "why?". If anyone thinks neither candidate is worthy then its gonna be a long road. Trump was as close to a 3rd party president as there ever was. If one cannot see that and embrace it even a little bit....then get ready for more "status quo".
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Post by tonyroma on Aug 7, 2023 21:39:31 GMT -5
Mitch McConnell “ it is our goal to make Barrack Obama a one term president” , Trump is not the first President to have chairs thrown in his path. I hesitate to use the word victim because it shuts down discussion.
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