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Post by bswiv on Jul 25, 2023 9:50:29 GMT -5
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Post by One Man Gang on Jul 25, 2023 10:05:40 GMT -5
To tell you the truth, I would love to tour your land and listen to you describe the what, where, when, and why of what you do. It just seems like you have a solid grasp of what is needed to yield the biggest and healthiest benefit to the habitat and wildlife. I have a feeling it would be a eye opening education.
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Post by JS84 on Jul 25, 2023 10:07:07 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what would you say would be a minimum parcel size to consider using prescribed fire? 20? 50? 100ac? I'm sure there are other considerations as well like proximity to other homes, roads, urban areas.
You should start a Youtube channel Ben. Just document what you do day to day and I'm sure there would be interest.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 25, 2023 10:53:11 GMT -5
I used to think the value of burning was opening the understory up for sunlight. I didn’t comprehend how beneficial wood ash is for the soil of Florida flatwoods until I started gardening on my woods homestead. Its almost impossible to grow crops in the acidic sugar sand without laying down a lot of wood ash. Not only does it raise the pH and provide nutrients directly, it also binds to other added nutrients and keeps them in the soil longer.
For those reasons, I would think any size burn could be beneficial. Even a food-plot sized burn would be of benefit for the sake of making a rich food plot.
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Post by cyclist on Jul 26, 2023 11:38:39 GMT -5
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Post by james14 on Jul 30, 2023 21:07:13 GMT -5
Peter, was that in Lochloosa?
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Post by cyclist on Jul 31, 2023 9:46:42 GMT -5
Peter, was that in Lochloosa? It was at and old professor of mines property on the Sante fe River. Tough burn cause he's on i75 and the smoke tends to sit in the river at night at the i75 bridge. But we got it finished early and all the smokers cleaned up. The st John's river water management district folks are doing great job burning Lochloosa...kudos to them! |
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Post by Crkr 23 on Jul 31, 2023 10:47:34 GMT -5
Peter, was that in Lochloosa? It was at and old professor of mines property on the Sante fe River. Tough burn cause he's on i75 and the smoke tends to sit in the river at night at the i75 bridge. But we got it finished early and all the smokers cleaned up. The st John's river water management district folks are doing great job burning Lochloosa...kudos to them! Yes, Lochloosa looks 100 times better than adjoining Grove Park. Weyerhaeuser has made Grove Park into a pine desert with all their herbicides. |
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Post by james14 on Sept 4, 2023 19:43:22 GMT -5
It was at and old professor of mines property on the Sante fe River. Tough burn cause he's on i75 and the smoke tends to sit in the river at night at the i75 bridge. But we got it finished early and all the smokers cleaned up. The st John's river water management district folks are doing great job burning Lochloosa...kudos to them! Yes, Lochloosa looks 100 times better than adjoining Grove Park. Weyerhaeuser has made Grove Park into a pine desert with all their herbicides. They seem to be trying to single-handedly keep Round Up in business. Some areas look like they carpet bombed it with glyphosate. |
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Post by Crkr 23 on Sept 5, 2023 5:28:33 GMT -5
If Weyerhaeuser is using Round-Up maybe they need to be included in the Cancer lawsuits against Monsanto.
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Post by wayvis on Sept 5, 2023 7:39:00 GMT -5
I hunt Rayonier land so burning is out of the question. What I do is a lot of mowing and discing. It may not be as good as fire, but it does open things up, so you get new growth which is a lot of what fire accomplishes. Like mentioned above it's a shame how all the pine tree companies have destroyed the habitat for wildlife with all the spaying they do.
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Post by james14 on Sept 5, 2023 20:45:44 GMT -5
I hunt Rayonier land so burning is out of the question. What I do is a lot of mowing and discing. It may not be as good as fire, but it does open things up, so you get new growth which is a lot of what fire accomplishes. Like mentioned above it's a shame how all the pine tree companies have destroyed the habitat for wildlife with all the spaying they do. If I had a timber lease, I'd do all of the mowing I could afford to have done; and do it strategically to achieve several different goals. At one time I thought about trying to lease out some timber land to test a few theories and eventually try to get into consulting and management to some degree. |
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Post by bswiv on Sept 6, 2023 4:02:54 GMT -5
I hunt Rayonier land so burning is out of the question. What I do is a lot of mowing and discing. It may not be as good as fire, but it does open things up, so you get new growth which is a lot of what fire accomplishes. Like mentioned above it's a shame how all the pine tree companies have destroyed the habitat for wildlife with all the spaying they do. Actually......in a more fundamental way......it is not the "pine tree companies" who have done the deed but rather the current restrictions and liabilities associated with burning. For it is far less expensive to burn a stand than it is to spray it with chemicals, and far better environmentally. The proximal cause may appear to be Rayonier or the like but the true cause for the management resides with governmental restrictions and the potential for legal action for smoke or a escape. Fix that and there will be darn little herbicide out there except at planting. |
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Post by cyclist on Sept 6, 2023 7:59:17 GMT -5
I hunt Rayonier land so burning is out of the question. What I do is a lot of mowing and discing. It may not be as good as fire, but it does open things up, so you get new growth which is a lot of what fire accomplishes. Like mentioned above it's a shame how all the pine tree companies have destroyed the habitat for wildlife with all the spaying they do. Actually......in a more fundamental way......it is not the "pine tree companies" who have done the deed but rather the current restrictions and liabilities associated with burning. For it is far less expensive to burn a stand than it is to spray it with chemicals, and far better environmentally. The proximal cause may appear to be Rayonier or the like but the true cause for the management resides with governmental restrictions and the potential for legal action for smoke or a escape. Fix that and there will be darn little herbicide out there except at planting. Florida has more prescribed fire than any other state. We are a right to burn state. An educated experienced burn boss with a proper plan and a modicum of caution is not liable for acts of god...if they adhere to the plan. I always heard the blackened trunks affect paper quality...but I don't really know. What are the government burn restrictions that you mention Ben? |
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Post by Crkr 23 on Sept 6, 2023 8:40:50 GMT -5
Just a WAG, the timber companies probably don't want the burnt bark because one there wouldn't be as much of it and it wouldn't be as merchantable(sp) to homeowners, just a guess.
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