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Post by One Man Gang on Jul 25, 2023 8:09:53 GMT -5
I have a similar night vision and it's incredible how well you can see with a upgraded IR light, but it's HEAVY! A good option for stand hunting but as BF mentioned, too cumbersome for lugging and scanning. Judging distances can be a challenge as well... I will eventually buy a thermal. My buddy has one and he can easily pick out hogs and coyotes at night long before I can with my IR night vision set up. I was looking at the Wraith a couple years ago and tried to buy it but with Covid, I guess there was no stock anywhere that I could locate. I built a 308 AR10 for my son that could use a good thermal.
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Post by JS84 on Jul 25, 2023 8:20:11 GMT -5
Very interesting. Thank you BF
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Jul 25, 2023 8:35:41 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 25, 2023 8:35:41 GMT -5
I have a similar night vision and it's incredible how well you can see with a upgraded IR light, but it's HEAVY! A good option for stand hunting but as BF mentioned, too cumbersome for lugging and scanning. Judging distances can be a challenge as well... I will eventually buy a thermal. My buddy has one and he can easily pick out hogs and coyotes at night long before I can with my IR night vision set up. I was looking at the Wraith a couple years ago and tried to buy it but with Covid, I guess there was no stock anywhere that I could locate. I built a 308 AR10 for my son that could use a good thermal. Someone warned me that once I got thermal, the night scope would go by the wayside, and I think he was right. Because its so small and the quick detachment back to zero seems so trustworthy, I could foresee myself in fact maxing out all 5 gun-zero slots and using this on 5 different guns. For instance, I have a small .30 carbine airgun I use for squirrel hunting and brain shooting deer and hogs. I could easily plug this thermal on that setup and popping off squirrels hiding up trees would probably be wicked. No more spending 15 minutes trying to spot hair through the scope. It might make hunting less challenging. But if the end goal is the kill and not the game leading up to it, a scope like this is the way to go. If I squirrel hunt, I just want a bag full of squirrels to clean and eat. The easier the better. Like bream fishing. Give me a bucket of big bream. I prefer them to be plentiful and stupid. I’d like to catch my fill in an hour and go home. If I’m coyote hunting, I just want to kill the coyote so it can’t eat more game animals or livestock. I don’t care how that’s accomplished. So if the scope gives me a major advantage, great.
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Post by JS84 on Jul 25, 2023 9:15:58 GMT -5
I was going to ask about the future of your night scope with the purchase of the thermal.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jul 25, 2023 9:21:40 GMT -5
I thought about doing the quick detach swap outs with my night vision, but I'm too lazy to mess with it. One thing I really like about my Aton is the battery life! That's a very important consideration of you don't want to carry around several batteries or a charging station. My current set up allows for a easy 12 hrs of hunting, which is stellar in the world of night hunting. The scope also works GREAT during the day.
To my knowledge, no thermal gets that kind of life on a charge. It's a small trade off, though, for what you gain in night time acquisition performance, and I'm sure battery life will only improve over time or possibly with higher end models...
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Jul 25, 2023 9:33:26 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 25, 2023 9:33:26 GMT -5
So far I probably have a solid 30-45 minutes of run time with the Wraith on 2 of the small, fat, lithium batteries. The battery gauge hasn’t moved yet. It also accepts any USB battery pack and it came with what purports to be a 10 hour battery pack.
You’re right, my ATN has a crazy battery life. So much so that I can leave it on while hunting for hours at a time without worrying about it.
I don’t know what I’m going to do with the ATN. It takes great video. Especially during the day. I may keep it just for filming hunts and use it on a daytime deer rifle. For the last 15 minutes of shooting light it gives an edge in a dark hammock. Its great for my .308 air rifle insofar as it calculates the ballistics just right and lets me reach well beyond 100 yards. Naturally gun shoots flat to 75 yards then drops a lot. But I can drill 100 yards easily in quarter sized groups with the calculator. You put a line inside of the scope on the deer’s back then on the ground and it uses the estimated height of the target to calculate the distance and it moves the crosshairs accordingly. It takes some tweaking of the algorithm but once I calibrated it right it is pretty accurate for a deer sized target.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 25, 2023 9:40:41 GMT -5
Daytime video on the ATN.
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Post by JS84 on Jul 25, 2023 9:42:08 GMT -5
You put a line inside of the scope on the deer’s back then on the ground and it uses the estimated height of the target to calculate the distance and it moves the crosshairs accordingly. Pythagorean theorem
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Post by cadman on Jul 25, 2023 12:11:11 GMT -5
This reminded me of bullfrog when I saw it.
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Post by swampdog on Jul 25, 2023 12:13:48 GMT -5
Yep one of his “dinofowl” escaped😉
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 3, 2023 22:50:30 GMT -5
I took the thermal out for a spin tonight on my .30 carbine air rifle. I'll do a more thorough writeup in my chicken thread when get the video edited. Long story short, I have a half acre electric net up in the woods that I'm about to move some chickens to. But a limb fell on it and I didn't find the limb for a good while. While the fence was shorted out, some varmints got into the paddock. I started hunting them tonight and got two coons. The thermal is a game changer. I saw the coon in the picture when it was slipping through the thick and was able to take the first head shot that presented itself. With a regular night scope I wouldn't have seen the movement in the brush and may have only saw bright eyeshine and not the head behind the shine once the coon stuck his head out.
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Post by BallaCoiPersici on Aug 4, 2023 9:17:46 GMT -5
I took the thermal out for a spin tonight on my .30 carbine air rifle. I'll do a more thorough writeup in my chicken thread when get the video edited. Long story short, I have a half acre electric net up in the woods that I'm about to move some chickens to. But a limb fell on it and I didn't find the limb for a good while. While the fence was shorted out, some varmints got into the paddock. I started hunting them tonight and got two coons. The thermal is a game changer. I saw the coon in the picture when it was slipping through the thick and was able to take the first head shot that presented itself. With a regular night scope I wouldn't have seen the movement in the brush and may have only saw bright eyeshine and not the head behind the shine once the coon stuck his head out. One less I would say. Tell me more about the .30 air rifle. How many joules? Accuracy (I guess pretty high within short range)? Could it work with small hogs (20-40 libs), obviously headshot?
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 4, 2023 11:40:09 GMT -5
I took the thermal out for a spin tonight on my .30 carbine air rifle. I'll do a more thorough writeup in my chicken thread when get the video edited. Long story short, I have a half acre electric net up in the woods that I'm about to move some chickens to. But a limb fell on it and I didn't find the limb for a good while. While the fence was shorted out, some varmints got into the paddock. I started hunting them tonight and got two coons. The thermal is a game changer. I saw the coon in the picture when it was slipping through the thick and was able to take the first head shot that presented itself. With a regular night scope I wouldn't have seen the movement in the brush and may have only saw bright eyeshine and not the head behind the shine once the coon stuck his head out. One less I would say. Tell me more about the .30 air rifle. How many joules? Accuracy (I guess pretty high within short range)? Could it work with small hogs (20-40 libs), obviously headshot? It can kill anything up to a black bear with a head shot. On lung shots, this one is good on coyotes and smaller. This gun is set for 75 fpe. It can run up to 110 fpe. I have other airguns that are several times more powerful and can lung-kill bear. Effective range is 100 yards for most air rifle. Most of them. Their killing power extends to several hundred yards but they only shoot flat to 75-100 yards. Accuracy is one perfect hole the size of the projectile at 50 yards and nickle-sized groups at 100 yards.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 4, 2023 13:10:43 GMT -5
I took the thermal out for a spin tonight on my .30 carbine air rifle. I'll do a more thorough writeup in my chicken thread when get the video edited. Long story short, I have a half acre electric net up in the woods that I'm about to move some chickens to. But a limb fell on it and I didn't find the limb for a good while. While the fence was shorted out, some varmints got into the paddock. I started hunting them tonight and got two coons. The thermal is a game changer. I saw the coon in the picture when it was slipping through the thick and was able to take the first head shot that presented itself. With a regular night scope I wouldn't have seen the movement in the brush and may have only saw bright eyeshine and not the head behind the shine once the coon stuck his head out. Taste like brisket...
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Aug 4, 2023 13:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by BallaCoiPersici on Aug 4, 2023 13:52:17 GMT -5
One less I would say. Tell me more about the .30 air rifle. How many joules? Accuracy (I guess pretty high within short range)? Could it work with small hogs (20-40 libs), obviously headshot? It can kill anything up to a black bear with a head shot. On lung shots, this one is good on coyotes and smaller. This gun is set for 75 fpe. It can run up to 110 fpe. I have other airguns that are several times more powerful and can lung-kill bear. Effective range is 100 yards for most air rifle. Most of them. Their killing power extends to several hundred yards but they only shoot flat to 75-100 yards. Accuracy is one perfect hole the size of the projectile at 50 yards and nickle-sized groups at 100 yards. Very interesting, thanks. 👍
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