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Post by biminitwisted on Sept 18, 2024 14:28:54 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on Sept 18, 2024 14:29:31 GMT -5
He doesn’t care what it will cost the American people, military, and veterans.
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Post by luapnor on Sept 18, 2024 14:30:20 GMT -5
Just think how much money could be saved if we actually shut down government for a month
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Post by mapper on Sept 18, 2024 14:57:11 GMT -5
BT, you don't support "commonsense" election laws?
I guess you don't support "commonsense" travel laws (Real ID) compliant for air travel?
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Post by biminitwisted on Sept 18, 2024 15:01:20 GMT -5
It's a made up issue that's going to blow up in their faces. Watch.
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Post by biminitwisted on Sept 18, 2024 16:44:23 GMT -5
BT, you don't support "commonsense" election laws? I guess you don't support "commonsense" travel laws (Real ID) compliant for air travel? We agree! And luckily, that’s already the law. Unfortunately, you are trying to make it harder for US citizens to vote. |
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Post by mapper on Sept 18, 2024 16:51:35 GMT -5
When I READ the bill text, I had no problem with it.
Have you READ the bill text?
And how does providing ID that is compliant with the Real ID act make voting harder?
It has not made voting harder for me when I show my ID to vote.
A lot of things are made up issues..
Isn't congress responsibility to submit a budget?
This continuing resolution habit is like taking 3 martini lunches every day for years and expecting your boss not to say something to you when you miss deadlines.
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 18, 2024 17:36:24 GMT -5
Take it up with Mike Johnson. They are busy impeaching people and releasing Hunters dick pics. No time for stand alone appropriation bills.
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Post by biminitwisted on Sept 18, 2024 19:02:09 GMT -5
Please proceed.
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 18, 2024 21:20:19 GMT -5
Most inept house in history, they spent more time removing speakers than actually getting anything done. 2 years and they are still using Nancy Pelosis spending budget. Nancy never brought a bill to the floor unless it was going to pass. These tards just throw spitballs on the ceiling and make bets on where it will land.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2024 21:34:29 GMT -5
BT, you don't support "commonsense" election laws? I guess you don't support "commonsense" travel laws (Real ID) compliant for air travel? We agree! And luckily, that’s already the law. Unfortunately, you are trying to make it harder for US citizens to vote.But.... making it harder to vote isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just sounds that way. Making it too easy to vote could be a bad thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2024 21:47:10 GMT -5
You don't even have to think about it BT. It's very simple. Just try to find someone that will say " If I have to show proper ID, I'm just not going to vote " That's all you need to know on the issue.
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Post by Tarponator on Sept 18, 2024 22:10:07 GMT -5
If I have to show proper ID, I'm just not going to vote. QED. As if we needed more evidence that people say stupid shit and don't think enough.  |
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Post by Captj on Sept 19, 2024 2:50:25 GMT -5
FF45 seems to be well practiced at killing bills that should pass, but don't give him any political advantage. That's how to make America Great - Again.................
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Post by cadman on Sept 19, 2024 8:51:29 GMT -5
When I READ the bill text, I had no problem with it. Have you READ the bill text? And how does providing ID that is compliant with the Real ID act make voting harder? It has not made voting harder for me when I show my ID to vote. A lot of things are made up issues.. Isn't congress responsibility to submit a budget? This continuing resolution habit is like taking 3 martini lunches every day for years and expecting your boss not to say something to you when you miss deadlines. Are you sure you read the bill? It is not a requirement to show I.D. when voting. It is a requirement to prove citizenship when registering to vote. It requires the REAL I.D. act documentation provide proof of citizenship. A driver's license does NOT provide proof of citizenship even though it is REAL I.D. compliant. You would need a passport or birth certificate or Naturalization Certificate to be eligible to register to vote. It is much more complicated than showing your driver license to vote. The other issue is, it requires the state to remove people who can not be verified as citizens and they must go through the process to re-register with proper documentation. The law is vague on how the state makes that determination, so many states could just kick off all voters who registered without providing proof of I.D. which would include many of us on this forum since a lot of older members filled out a registration card long ago before you had to provide documentation and signing the oath was sufficient. How would you like to get a letter in the mail saying you were no longer registered to vote and had to prove your citizenship to be able to vote again and by the way, you are ineligible for the fall election due to this new requirement? The bill is poorly written and designed to remove valid voters from the voting rolls. It could affect millions of legitimate voters to maybe catch a few people who may have slipped through the system. Kind of reminds me of the left's version of punish legal gun owners for the acts of a few who break the law. This bill punishes legal voters due to the acts of a few. Here is a copy of the funding bill. The Save Act is Division B, in case you would like to re-read it. www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/9494/text?s=1&r=1 |
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Post by cadman on Sept 19, 2024 8:56:04 GMT -5
I want to repeat this for those who won't read the longer reply above
THE SAVE ACT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SHOWING I.D. TO VOTE!
IT IS ABOUT REQUIRING PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP TO REGISTER TO VOTE!
You guys are arguing the wrong issue.
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Post by meateater on Sept 19, 2024 12:41:49 GMT -5
Just think how much money could be saved if we actually shut down government for a month they would stop all checks to americans but make damn sure ukraine got theirs, our government sucks. |
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Post by meateater on Sept 19, 2024 12:44:14 GMT -5
I want to repeat this for those who won't read the longer reply above THE SAVE ACT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SHOWING I.D. TO VOTE! IT IS ABOUT REQUIRING PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP TO REGISTER TO VOTE! You guys are arguing the wrong issue. ARE YOU SURE, I BELIEVE ITS ABOUT DOGS AND CATS, SAVING OUR PETS. |
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Sept 19, 2024 13:20:29 GMT -5
We agree! And luckily, that’s already the law. Unfortunately, you are trying to make it harder for US citizens to vote.But.... making it harder to vote isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just sounds that way. Making it too easy to vote could be a bad thing. Just do what Alabama did. Make em get new IDs to vote then shut all.the state troopers offices down (where we get IDs) in the poverty riddled black belt where the poor black folks would have to find a ride a couple of county's over. Totally unrelated coincidence. 🙄 Gerrymandering has never been an issue either. |
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Post by spearit on Sept 19, 2024 13:42:43 GMT -5
But.... making it harder to vote isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just sounds that way. Making it too easy to vote could be a bad thing. Just do what Alabama did. Make em get new IDs to vote then shut all.the state troopers offices down (where we get IDs) in the poverty riddled black belt where the poor black folks would have to find a ride a couple of county's over. Totally unrelated coincidence. 🙄 Gerrymandering has never been an issue either. yep, I lived in Perry County, Alabama (near Selma) when all that was going on. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2024 14:05:40 GMT -5
But.... making it harder to vote isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just sounds that way. Making it too easy to vote could be a bad thing. Just do what Alabama did. Make em get new IDs to vote then shut all.the state troopers offices down (where we get IDs) in the poverty riddled black belt where the poor black folks would have to find a ride a couple of county's over. Totally unrelated coincidence. 🙄 Gerrymandering has never been an issue either. Today's world. Focus on that. |
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Sept 19, 2024 14:23:30 GMT -5
Just do what Alabama did. Make em get new IDs to vote then shut all.the state troopers offices down (where we get IDs) in the poverty riddled black belt where the poor black folks would have to find a ride a couple of county's over. Totally unrelated coincidence. 🙄 Gerrymandering has never been an issue either. Today's world. Focus on that. What woukd leave you to believe that is not Today's world? |
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Post by mapper on Sept 19, 2024 14:23:48 GMT -5
When I READ the bill text, I had no problem with it. Have you READ the bill text? And how does providing ID that is compliant with the Real ID act make voting harder? It has not made voting harder for me when I show my ID to vote. A lot of things are made up issues.. Isn't congress responsibility to submit a budget? This continuing resolution habit is like taking 3 martini lunches every day for years and expecting your boss not to say something to you when you miss deadlines. Are you sure you read the bill? It is not a requirement to show I.D. when voting. It is a requirement to prove citizenship when registering to vote. It requires the REAL I.D. act documentation provide proof of citizenship. A driver's license does NOT provide proof of citizenship even though it is REAL I.D. compliant. You would need a passport or birth certificate or Naturalization Certificate to be eligible to register to vote. It is much more complicated than showing your driver license to vote. The other issue is, it requires the state to remove people who can not be verified as citizens and they must go through the process to re-register with proper documentation. The law is vague on how the state makes that determination, so many states could just kick off all voters who registered without providing proof of I.D. which would include many of us on this forum since a lot of older members filled out a registration card long ago before you had to provide documentation and signing the oath was sufficient. How would you like to get a letter in the mail saying you were no longer registered to vote and had to prove your citizenship to be able to vote again and by the way, you are ineligible for the fall election due to this new requirement? The bill is poorly written and designed to remove valid voters from the voting rolls. It could affect millions of legitimate voters to maybe catch a few people who may have slipped through the system. Kind of reminds me of the left's version of punish legal gun owners for the acts of a few who break the law. This bill punishes legal voters due to the acts of a few. Here is a copy of the funding bill. The Save Act is Division B, in case you would like to re-read it. www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/9494/text?s=1&r=1I read the stand alone save act bill which is linked hereI have not read and compared it to the one that you linked in the appropriation act, and honestly that would require a lot of effort for a minimal reward as a top finisher in an internet pissing match. So I concede it have not, and bow out of said pissing match. So when I ve won a pissing match in my young, dumb and full of come days, and got a trophy for my efforts once. But that does not count as it was in real life, and not on the internet. I guess I don't see the issue as a deterrent to voting and taking it away. Now I'll admit I've had a FL driver license from before the real Id act, and if I remember back 3 or 4 dog years when FL started it, there was some requirements relating to citizenship and driver licenses. Yes I grumbled about it then, and may have had to track down a copy of a birth certificate upon renewal. It could have been for voter registration renewal/update, as I said 3-4 dog years ago. Now I am aware that there may be drivers licenses without the voters registration citizenship associated with them. So if showing I'd is not a requirement to voting, why is it requested when I vote? Is it like the 4473 forms that are held by the dealer, but a atf agent has a list of everything the dealer sold to who in the last year that's not supposed to exist by law? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2024 14:40:17 GMT -5
Today's world. Focus on that. What woukd leave you to believe that is not Today's world? In today's world nobody is going to say " If I have to show proper ID , I'm not going to vote " If they really want to vote they will come up with the proper ID if it's required. You can ask around though and see if somebody would actually say what I don't think you will find. |
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Sept 19, 2024 14:46:37 GMT -5
What woukd leave you to believe that is not Today's world? In today's world nobody is going to say " If I have to show proper ID , I'm not going to vote " If they really want to vote they will come up with the proper ID if it's required. You can ask around though and see if somebody would actually say what I don't think you will find. Showing ID wasn't the problem. Closing the location they had to go to get ideas to make it harder on them was. If you do t have a pot to piss in or wi.dow to throw it out driving g two counties away to get an ID might be a little more difficult than you think. I only have to go a couple of miles to get mine. And even if that was closed I coukd go to the other side of town. But I'm not poor or elderly. They did that shit deliberately. To discourage that populations voting. It's hard to believe that that kind of poverty exists but I have been there. And the gentleman that quoted me above lived close to there. Its pathetic that people ha e to live that way. But there is absolutely no industry or jobs. You're either a super wealthy land owner or you are dirt poor. |
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 19, 2024 14:51:50 GMT -5
You can’t vote unless you have a red ballon, then close down all the ballon stores.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2024 14:54:14 GMT -5
In today's world nobody is going to say " If I have to show proper ID , I'm not going to vote " If they really want to vote they will come up with the proper ID if it's required. You can ask around though and see if somebody would actually say what I don't think you will find. Showing ID wasn't the problem. Closing the location they had to go to get ideas to make it harder on them was. If you do t have a pot to piss in or wi.dow to throw it out driving g two counties away to get an ID might be a little more difficult than you think. I only have to go a couple of miles to get mine. And even if that was closed I coukd go to the other side of town. But I'm not poor or elderly. They did that shit deliberately. To discourage that populations voting. It's hard to believe that that kind of poverty exists but I have been there. And the gentleman that quoted me above lived close to there. Its pathetic that people ha e to live that way. But there is absolutely no industry or jobs. You're either a super wealthy land owner or you are dirt poor. If they want to vote they will be able too. Fuck anybody's hard luck story . It's all BS and a political football the Dems use to try to show they are more caring. |
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Post by cadman on Sept 19, 2024 17:33:34 GMT -5
Are you sure you read the bill? It is not a requirement to show I.D. when voting. It is a requirement to prove citizenship when registering to vote. It requires the REAL I.D. act documentation provide proof of citizenship. A driver's license does NOT provide proof of citizenship even though it is REAL I.D. compliant. You would need a passport or birth certificate or Naturalization Certificate to be eligible to register to vote. It is much more complicated than showing your driver license to vote. The other issue is, it requires the state to remove people who can not be verified as citizens and they must go through the process to re-register with proper documentation. The law is vague on how the state makes that determination, so many states could just kick off all voters who registered without providing proof of I.D. which would include many of us on this forum since a lot of older members filled out a registration card long ago before you had to provide documentation and signing the oath was sufficient. How would you like to get a letter in the mail saying you were no longer registered to vote and had to prove your citizenship to be able to vote again and by the way, you are ineligible for the fall election due to this new requirement? The bill is poorly written and designed to remove valid voters from the voting rolls. It could affect millions of legitimate voters to maybe catch a few people who may have slipped through the system. Kind of reminds me of the left's version of punish legal gun owners for the acts of a few who break the law. This bill punishes legal voters due to the acts of a few. Here is a copy of the funding bill. The Save Act is Division B, in case you would like to re-read it. www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/9494/text?s=1&r=1I read the stand alone save act bill which is linked hereI have not read and compared it to the one that you linked in the appropriation act, and honestly that would require a lot of effort for a minimal reward as a top finisher in an internet pissing match. So I concede it have not, and bow out of said pissing match. So when I ve won a pissing match in my young, dumb and full of come days, and got a trophy for my efforts once. But that does not count as it was in real life, and not on the internet. I guess I don't see the issue as a deterrent to voting and taking it away. Now I'll admit I've had a FL driver license from before the real Id act, and if I remember back 3 or 4 dog years when FL started it, there was some requirements relating to citizenship and driver licenses. Yes I grumbled about it then, and may have had to track down a copy of a birth certificate upon renewal. It could have been for voter registration renewal/update, as I said 3-4 dog years ago. Now I am aware that there may be drivers licenses without the voters registration citizenship associated with them. So if showing I'd is not a requirement to voting, why is it requested when I vote? Is it like the 4473 forms that are held by the dealer, but a atf agent has a list of everything the dealer sold to who in the last year that's not supposed to exist by law? It says the same thing as the amendment and has nothing to do with showing I.D. to vote. A Florida Driver's license or I.D. will not meet the requirement of the SAVE Act for registering to vote. A Florida driver's license does not prove citizenship. Non citizens can get a Florida Driver's license and the actual drivers license does not have anything indication on which version you possess, so the Driver's license can not be used under the SAVE act since the act requires the document provide proof of citizenship. I know it took a few weeks to get a certified copy of my birth certificate from the state when I had to get a copy. Why punish innocent citizens who want to vote just to try and catch a few who may break a law that is already in affect. This just adds more bureaucracy to the states and punishes legitimate voters over an issue that does not exist and was created by Trump. The Act also requires removing people who are not proven to be citizens which could remove millions of voters from the rolls and require them to go through the process of re-registering. An I.D. to vote is a state law not a federal law. A federal law requiring I.D. to vote would likely not survive a court challenge due to the constitution granting state the right to controlling voting. |
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Post by mapper on Sept 20, 2024 1:34:56 GMT -5
What is on the magnetic strip on the back of a license..hmm
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Post by cadman on Sept 20, 2024 7:37:34 GMT -5
What is on the magnetic strip on the back of a license..hmm The magnetic strip was removed in 2019. My license only has a 2D barcode where the magnetic strip used to be. The new license also has a standard barcode on the right edge. A lot of stores and bars had to buy new birthdate readers when the change happened. I know a police officer can not tell if you are a citizen by scanning the license. I do not know, but would assume the information is in the DMV database someplace. But if, as in Florida, you supply a driver's license number and the last four of your social security number upon registration and the election supervisor and canvassing board, who are responsible for determining your eligibility to vote runs you through the system and verifies that the you have a current valid driver's license and social security number, would that not be the same evidence that you are a U.S. citizen as showing the Driver's license to a person at the counter when you register? Either way, they have to run you through the computer system to verify citizenship. I think the better solution would be to upgrade the computer systems to make it easier and quicker for these I.D.s to verify citizenship. Also, the issue of removing people who are already registered just because some bureaucrat at the state or local level doesn't think a person or group of people have not, in their minds, proved they are citizens. Again, you end up pushing legitimate legal voters to try and catch a few who may be illegal. There is no evidence, other the Trump's claims, that a significant number of illegitimate votes were cast in any election, much less those of illegal immigrants. Certainly not at the level needed to change a federal or state election result. |
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