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Post by Captj on Sept 14, 2024 4:59:12 GMT -5
Let's say Russia decided to invade Alaska. According to your thinking the US should then offer to relinquish Alaska to Russia to insure "peace". Or if Mexico decided that Texas looked good to them and sent their cartel army in to secure the area? Another example of how to give away a piece of your country to insure "peace". Ukraine has every right to attack Russia in the same way they've been attacked. Except for killing, raping, and torturing of civilian non-combatants as Putin's legions have done. What's the destruction of a few cities in Russia anyway? Works for Putin in Ukraine.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Sept 14, 2024 5:10:49 GMT -5
Ukraine needs to be given long range drones so that they can destroy income producing infrastructure throughout Russia. Let the Russian citizens feel the pain that has been inflicted upon Ukraine and possibly they will hasten the end of the Putin era
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Post by luapnor on Sept 14, 2024 18:11:55 GMT -5
Let's say Russia decided to invade Alaska. According to your thinking the US should then offer to relinquish Alaska to Russia to insure "peace". Or if Mexico decided that Texas looked good to them and sent their cartel army in to secure the area? Another example of how to give away a piece of your country to insure "peace". Ukraine has every right to attack Russia in the same way they've been attacked. Except for killing, raping, and torturing of civilian non-combatants as Putin's legions have done. What's the destruction of a few cities in Russia anyway? Works for Putin in Ukraine. When they invade Alaska get back to us. You are ignorant of history and think the timeline started in 2022. |
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Post by luapnor on Sept 14, 2024 18:16:14 GMT -5
Ukraine needs to be given long range drones so that they can destroy income producing infrastructure throughout Russia. Let the Russian citizens feel the pain that has been inflicted upon Ukraine and possibly they will hasten the end of the Putin era So you are ok with Russian missiles landing in the country supplying and targeting those drones? We are creating an enemy that will be supplying our small time enemies with very accurate missiles for the next 40 years. This endless fucking with Russia over the last 20 years is creating a giant blowback problem that Americans are not prepared for because they have been lied to about what we have been doing. |
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Sept 14, 2024 18:31:26 GMT -5
It's pretty simple Russia invaded Ukraine. There is absolutely nothing preventing Russia from packing up and going home. Nothing. Except of course the ego of a despot.
Americans have the luxury of short memories and remaining unscathed. Poland does not. When you were steamrolled by the Nazis then oppressed for a few generations by the Soviets you tend to not let generations later forget about the murder rape and pillage of your grandparents and their parents.
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Post by ferris1248 on Sept 14, 2024 18:36:27 GMT -5
He's a technician and doesn't have the power to fire anyone.
The answer is even easier: Birds of an RT feather flock together.
You mean he's not a rich kid, raised in Buckhead, driving a Porsche by a wealthy military career guy? |
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Sept 14, 2024 18:42:30 GMT -5
Ukraine needs to be given long range drones so that they can destroy income producing infrastructure throughout Russia. Let the Russian citizens feel the pain that has been inflicted upon Ukraine and possibly they will hasten the end of the Putin era This endless fucking with Russia over the last 20 years is creating a giant blowback problem that Americans are not prepared for because they have been lied to about what we have been doing. Poor poor Russia. Just bullied by the U.S. Putin is really a good guy the evil west just spreads propaganda and lies. Right Komrade? |
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Sept 14, 2024 19:06:55 GMT -5
Russia is the aggressor. The aggressor needs to be punished.
Yes, it’s too bad that Ukraine gave up its nukes. Not that they should or would use them but they would have that old time “detente” I believe they called it.
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Post by nikonoclast on Sept 14, 2024 22:45:43 GMT -5
It's happened enough times that there's a history to consider.
Giving up the nukes doesn't have a good track record.
"Prince Pudgy", in N. Korea, probably has "Gadafi nightmares".
South Africa managed to disengage ... they have much more pressing problems.
Having a nuke is one thing, being able to deliver it is quite another matter.
Making one is an engineering problem ... given some time, almost any country could do it.
Building a delivery system ... that takes time, capital, and infrastructure.
A nuke small enough for a drone is almost impossible ... which leaves Ukraine SOL.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Sept 15, 2024 0:37:35 GMT -5
A nuke small enough for a drone is almost impossible .... Actually...it's not. There are numerous nuclear payloads well with in capacity for the hellfiee missle. Those range in yield from .01kt to nearly 2kt. The MQ9 can carry 8. There are heavier payloads that could be adapted to other delivery systems as well. I'm really kinda scared to know what they have. A W80 is <300lbs and has a yield of 150kt. Thisnsi stuff that's pushing 80 years old there is no telling what they have now. |
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Post by Mynki on Sept 15, 2024 1:54:51 GMT -5
Odd.... We have a programmer on staff that is from Poland and he believes that NATO is purposely antagonizing Putin to start a bigger conflict. It's not surprising that a many believe the lies from the noecons about Ukraine. And what about the 37 million people living in Poland? You know, the people whose homeland could be invaded. They might have a different view to an immigrant living thousands of miles away. You need your eyes opening so you can see a much bigger picture. The West needs to show Russia that there are consequences for their aggression. Thankfully pu55ie5 like you are not part of the decision making process. |
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Post by Mynki on Sept 15, 2024 2:04:18 GMT -5
Russia is launching long range missiles into Ukraine. Putin has been rattling that saber for 400 days. They are. They're in possession of missiles procured from Iran and North Korea. Ukraine have the British / French made Storm Shadow missiles already, they just lack the ability to utilise their long range capabilities without assistance from NATO. They just about have the range to strike Moscow. That would send a real message to their leader and scare the living daylights out of the Russian population. |
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Post by luapnor on Sept 15, 2024 7:55:34 GMT -5
It's pretty simple Russia invaded Ukraine. There is absolutely nothing preventing Russia from packing up and going home. Nothing. Except of course the ego of a despot. Americans have the luxury of short memories and remaining unscathed. Poland does not. When you were steamrolled by the Nazis then oppressed for a few generations by the Soviets you tend to not let generations later forget about the murder rape and pillage of your grandparents and their parents. Not one inch Eastward... Americans have short memories. |
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Post by luapnor on Sept 15, 2024 8:49:08 GMT -5
Odd.... We have a programmer on staff that is from Poland and he believes that NATO is purposely antagonizing Putin to start a bigger conflict. It's not surprising that a many believe the lies from the noecons about Ukraine. And what about the 37 million people living in Poland? You know, the people whose homeland could be invaded. They might have a different view to an immigrant living thousands of miles away. You need your eyes opening so you can see a much bigger picture. The West needs to show Russia that there are consequences for their aggression. Thankfully pu55ie5 like you are not part of the decision making process. Why do you listen to the propaganda? The "West" is only going to start WW3. We should stop fucking with other countries as if they are merely pawns. The corruption in the West is astounding. Biden has had his hand in Ukraine for decades. I believe we would do the same as Russia if our security was threatened...oh wait we did when it wasn't. Iraq, Syria, Libya... This list is long of countries we invaded for "security" reasons. We have zero credibility. We need to stop threatening countries. |
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Post by Captj on Sept 15, 2024 9:59:24 GMT -5
And what about the 37 million people living in Poland? You know, the people whose homeland could be invaded. They might have a different view to an immigrant living thousands of miles away. You need your eyes opening so you can see a much bigger picture. The West needs to show Russia that there are consequences for their aggression. Thankfully pu55ie5 like you are not part of the decision making process. Why do you listen to the propaganda? The "West" is only going to start WW3. We should stop fucking with other countries as if they are merely pawns. The corruption in the West is astounding. Biden has had his hand in Ukraine for decades. I believe we would do the same as Russia if our security was threatened...oh wait we did when it wasn't. Iraq, Syria, Libya... This list is long of countries we invaded for "security" reasons. We have zero credibility. We need to stop threatening countries. All countries should respect the sovereignty of other countries. Let's start with your pal Putin. Annex Crimea, invade Ukraine, and that's somehow our fault? I'm sure your handlers can come up with better shit than that. |
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