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Post by bswiv on Aug 17, 2024 5:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by Captj on Aug 18, 2024 5:24:20 GMT -5
The drug crisis is all about the money. Both legal and otherwise.
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Post by bswiv on Aug 18, 2024 5:41:34 GMT -5
The drug crisis is all about the money. Both legal and otherwise. Well.........not really. It strikes me that at base it is about one human, or set of humans who've installed themselves into positions of power and authority, deciding that they have the right to proscribe what a individual may consume. At base it is a abrogation of a fundamental human right to chose for oneself. Humans will struggle against such restrictions......even when doing so is actually a very poor decision for their health and wellbeing. But......it is the telling, the control, the stealing of autonomy that rankles. And humans will go to all sorts of measure in search of a way around being told by another human that they can not do something that they themselves have decided they have a right to do. Money only comes into the equation as a danger, the gangs and the smuggling as opposed to the open and free trade, once those using force against the unwilling have employed their force. With a return to what was a right of not so long ago the smuggling and the death and destruction and societal decay caused by the large criminal enterprises would slowly melt away. And sure.......we may have a few more stoners.......and yes......some will still take to excess whatever they can get their hands on......but......seriously and honestly......can we not do the math? Can we not see that those things continue now? And are we so deficient at math to where we're incapable of adding in ALL the costs of forcing Johnny to be clean? I think not. And no.......I don't smoke pot.....inject....snort....though.....a Pabst now and again is good. But then....maybe some glimmer of a thought about what renders a Pabst useful and how once the same sort of force lovers tried to impose similar on us comes to mind?
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Post by johngalt on Aug 18, 2024 7:26:19 GMT -5
Which drug crisis are we talking about? Pharmaceutical drugs or illegal drugs?
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Post by bswiv on Aug 18, 2024 7:37:55 GMT -5
Which drug crisis are we talking about? Pharmaceutical drugs or illegal drugs? "John Galt"...........which leads one to think you'd know that they are one and the same, both the result of control from above. Or were you trolling?
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Post by luapnor on Aug 18, 2024 8:04:15 GMT -5
We learned this the hard way thru prohibition but we seem to always forget the lessons.
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Post by bswiv on Aug 18, 2024 16:44:10 GMT -5
We learned this the hard way thru prohibition but we seem to always forget the lessons. And the controllers are on both the left and the right.........which......highlights that CONTROL is what so many seeking power really want.......
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Post by osprey11 on Aug 18, 2024 17:01:40 GMT -5
Ironic a neighbor was just telling me yesterday stories of prohibition days in Jacksonville. It involved commercial fisherman moving the booze upriver and delivering it to officers and a certain future sheriff.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 17:02:47 GMT -5
Drugs are evil
We need more education for children about this evil
Drug dealers need enhanced sentencing
Drug addicts need help
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Post by tonyroma on Aug 18, 2024 17:09:50 GMT -5
Nancy Reagan enters the chat
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Post by bswiv on Aug 18, 2024 17:43:07 GMT -5
Drugs are evil We need more education for children about this evil Drug dealers need enhanced sentencing Drug addicts need help No more so are drug "evil" than a piece of lead fashioned into a lump and driven at sufficient velocity to where it will render death. Inanimate objects are possessed of no "moral" nature........ As for the "dealers"........no also......for a man who provides you a service you as a human desire is not evil....... Now.....your last point.....that "addicts" need help......yes......but of what kind?
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Post by walkerdog on Aug 18, 2024 18:07:42 GMT -5
Ben, I often agree with what you say.
Not so much on this one though.
There isnt a single redeeming quality about a drug dealer, IMO. I do believe they fit pretty well into the definition of evil though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 22:09:04 GMT -5
Drug dealers need life without parole
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Post by luapnor on Aug 19, 2024 8:02:36 GMT -5
Which drug dealers are we talking about? Pfiser or Moderna or...? Just because the FDA gives them a license to deal their drugs doesnt make them any less dangerous.
Also... The government licenses alcohol producers and they are good drug dealers? The government licenses tobacco producers and they are good drug dealers?
We consume 30 times the sugar(per person) we did 120 years ago, are those good drug "dealers"
Is it because we have been brainwashed to hate the unlicensed ones and love the licensed ones?
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Post by bswiv on Aug 19, 2024 8:27:11 GMT -5
Ben, I often agree with what you say. Not so much on this one though. There isnt a single redeeming quality about a drug dealer, IMO. I do believe they fit pretty well into the definition of evil though. In fact......you are correct in that the "drug dealers" our system has created are quite bad. And true, if it were not drugs they were dealing they surely may well be involved in some other anti-social behavior so as not to have to work in the traditional sense. That they decided to do as they do indicates a disregard that is in all likelihood a fundamental part of how they operate. Ultimately my thinking is that by removing this extremely dangerous form of nefariousness as one of their options as a way to get by without working we at least move the ball forward. They may still be thieves and the like......but not selling fentanyl laced whatever to the unsuspecting. As what we're doing isn't working......change the bait!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2024 8:29:43 GMT -5
Too many drug deaths. Just way too many. We have to try something new and different.
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Post by luapnor on Aug 19, 2024 9:28:49 GMT -5
Ben, I often agree with what you say. Not so much on this one though. There isnt a single redeeming quality about a drug dealer, IMO. I do believe they fit pretty well into the definition of evil though. In fact......you are correct in that the "drug dealers" our system has created are quite bad. And true, if it were not drugs they were dealing they surely may well be involved in some other anti-social behavior so as not to have to work in the traditional sense. That they decided to do as they do indicates a disregard that is in all likelihood a fundamental part of how they operate. Ultimately my thinking is that by removing this extremely dangerous form of nefariousness as one of their options as a way to get by without working we at least move the ball forward. They may still be thieves and the like......but not selling fentanyl laced whatever to the unsuspecting. As what we're doing isn't working......change the bait! When government shows they are above the law, then citizens will follow suit.
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Post by Captj on Aug 20, 2024 5:11:59 GMT -5
As stated prior, when money enters the discussion there are no answers. Doesn't matter who's in power as money is an equal opportunity employer. Only takes one rotten apple to ruin the barrel. And our society is full of rotten apples.
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