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Post by walkerdog on Aug 10, 2024 20:36:46 GMT -5
The rioters and looters SHOULD BE punished but the overwhelming majority were not Why not What "rioters and looters" on J6 have not been punished? Do you really equate an attack on our nation's capitol with rioters in Spokane ? I think you meant to say the attack on Spokane. That’s the preferred vernacular, it seems. 😆
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Post by walkerdog on Aug 10, 2024 20:38:47 GMT -5
How do you feel about the border being breached and what punishment do they deserve ? Well... There should be a pathway to Immigration.... But border breaches should not happen... We could stop that shit.... should not take a wall either... It seems as though you don’t already know, but there is already a pathway to citizenship. The illegals just aren’t following it.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Aug 10, 2024 21:29:03 GMT -5
Legal immigration is there to be had
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Post by cadman on Aug 11, 2024 7:47:59 GMT -5
The rioters and looters SHOULD be punished under the law.... Riots like those that occurred in the spring and early summer are inexcusable......
But as folks have explained... Breaching the Capital of the United States is a different matter....
All of those that climbed into the Capital that day through the broken windows.... Committed a Capital offense... The violated your house and my house.... They had no respect and complete disregard for what belongs to the people.... Not one political party or another... But the people.... The Capital is sacred... And those that violated should face the ultimate punishment.
Every one of the described incidents was a riot. Some, like yourself, just want the J6 riot to be something else. It’s a sad commentary on those that hold that hope. As proven by court cases, records, and testimony, there was a faction of the J6 rioters who were there to stop biden from taking office. The Proud Boys plan was to scare legislators into installing Trump as President no matter what it took. Read some of the court records. As I stated before, the majority of those involved in J6 were caught up in mob mentality and they were treated as such with pre trial deferments and light sentences, There were well over 100 that were violent and dealt with more severely, and there was the group that was there to stop the process and make Trump President. Some of those are serving 20+ years in prison and deserve every day they get. If you think enter the U.S. Capital and threatening members of congress is the same thing as a riot, it is a sad commentary about yourself.
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Post by cadman on Aug 11, 2024 7:56:05 GMT -5
Legal immigration is there to be had It is a long slow process as evidenced by the fact that those seeking asylum, which should be the quickest process, are waiting years for a resolution to their case. In this day and age, a person seeking legal entry into the U.S. should be able to apply and get an answer within 30 to 60 days on a probationary status. If they have a sponsor or a job guarantee or sufficient funds to live for one year and aren't on any of our watch lists, let them in for 6 months. Then in 6 months, you check on them and if they aren't employed, send them back home. If they commit any crime, send them back home. The problem with that is then you would have 10 million legal immigrants to bitch about and that would be a harder argument. Plus, a lot of employers using illegals as cheap labor would lose that labor force as a legal immigrant would be able to file complaints about unfair treatment and those employers would be out of business.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Aug 11, 2024 8:06:15 GMT -5
I agree with most of that
I read my grandparents sheet from Ellis Island
Had to have a sponsor, a job, a place to live and money in your pocket.
As far as illegals working for very poor wages, that was a thing of the past. There are plenty working in the construction industry. The employers that hire them compete for good help. I spoke to a bricklayer crew last year. They were getting paid $42 an hour. That’s not too bad
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Aug 11, 2024 8:08:27 GMT -5
However, the influx of new illegals will probably push the wages down.
Could that be one of the reasons the Democrats have flooded our country with illegals?
Democrat party used to be the party of the people. Now it’s the party that uses people
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Post by walkerdog on Aug 11, 2024 9:52:01 GMT -5
Every one of the described incidents was a riot. Some, like yourself, just want the J6 riot to be something else. It’s a sad commentary on those that hold that hope. As proven by court cases, records, and testimony, there was a faction of the J6 rioters who were there to stop biden from taking office. The Proud Boys plan was to scare legislators into installing Trump as President no matter what it took. Read some of the court records. As I stated before, the majority of those involved in J6 were caught up in mob mentality and they were treated as such with pre trial deferments and light sentences, There were well over 100 that were violent and dealt with more severely, and there was the group that was there to stop the process and make Trump President. Some of those are serving 20+ years in prison and deserve every day they get. If you think enter the U.S. Capital and threatening members of congress is the same thing as a riot, it is a sad commentary about yourself. . I’m not in disagreement with you in your description. I’m in disagreement with JB in his description. They are not the same. He and others here put everyone who protested that day into one bucket. You do not. I stand by my statement of the commentary, for the reasons stated above.
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Post by walkerdog on Aug 11, 2024 9:58:53 GMT -5
Legal immigration is there to be had It is a long slow process as evidenced by the fact that those seeking asylum, which should be the quickest process, are waiting years for a resolution to their case. In this day and age, a person seeking legal entry into the U.S. should be able to apply and get an answer within 30 to 60 days on a probationary status. If they have a sponsor or a job guarantee or sufficient funds to live for one year and aren't on any of our watch lists, let them in for 6 months. Then in 6 months, you check on them and if they aren't employed, send them back home. If they commit any crime, send them back home. The problem with that is then you would have 10 million legal immigrants to bitch about and that would be a harder argument. Plus, a lot of employers using illegals as cheap labor would lose that labor force as a legal immigrant would be able to file complaints about unfair treatment and those employers would be out of business. Sounds like you’ve got it all worked out! You should let INS know how easy their job is!🙄 It is a slow process. But it is a process. I know a number of individuals who have gone through it and are now U.S. citizens and I don’t bitch about anyone being here who has followed it, nor do I know anyone else who does
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Post by throttle on Aug 11, 2024 11:43:39 GMT -5
The only death was an unarmed woman murdered by a capital police person. But to be clear that was not an insurrection good lord. Ashli Babbit was attempting to force her ways through a broken window into an area that was only one door away from where congresspeople and Senators were at.... That doorway was the last line.... The police officer did the right thing.... The other three I mentioned died at the Capital on that day as well. And it most certainly was an insurrection. An angry mob broke into and stormed that Capital disrupt and stop the certification of the electoral votes.
You're right. She was a really scary little tiny woman, so Byrd had to shoot her, even though there were Capital Police officers in the line of fire. And strangely, Byrd didn't see the necessity to shoot any of the other, much larger rioters that were clamoring right along with Ashli. Weird. Or, he was a failed cop who had a very inconvenient negligent discharge. Yeah, I'm going with that one, no matter what Lester Holt thinks.
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Post by throttle on Aug 11, 2024 11:54:13 GMT -5
Legal immigration is there to be had It is a long slow process as evidenced by the fact that those seeking asylum, which should be the quickest process, are waiting years for a resolution to their case. In this day and age, a person seeking legal entry into the U.S. should be able to apply and get an answer within 30 to 60 days on a probationary status. If they have a sponsor or a job guarantee or sufficient funds to live for one year and aren't on any of our watch lists, let them in for 6 months. Then in 6 months, you check on them and if they aren't employed, send them back home. If they commit any crime, send them back home. The problem with that is then you would have 10 million legal immigrants to bitch about and that would be a harder argument. Plus, a lot of employers using illegals as cheap labor would lose that labor force as a legal immigrant would be able to file complaints about unfair treatment and those employers would be out of business. You may not know this, but actual refugees with legitimate asylum claims are processed pretty quickly. I'm working with several Ukrainians right now, and America is taking care of them. Economic "refugees" don't get the same expedited handling. But they're perfectly able to apply for legal immigration, there's nothing stopping them, except the fact that the Biden/Harris administration has pretty well announced to the world that we're no longer enforcing our immigration laws so it's a free for all. And how lucky are we Americans to be able to accept the criminals, terrorists, and spies from all around the world, and to support them all too. BONUS!!!
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Post by cadman on Aug 11, 2024 12:45:53 GMT -5
It is a long slow process as evidenced by the fact that those seeking asylum, which should be the quickest process, are waiting years for a resolution to their case. In this day and age, a person seeking legal entry into the U.S. should be able to apply and get an answer within 30 to 60 days on a probationary status. If they have a sponsor or a job guarantee or sufficient funds to live for one year and aren't on any of our watch lists, let them in for 6 months. Then in 6 months, you check on them and if they aren't employed, send them back home. If they commit any crime, send them back home. The problem with that is then you would have 10 million legal immigrants to bitch about and that would be a harder argument. Plus, a lot of employers using illegals as cheap labor would lose that labor force as a legal immigrant would be able to file complaints about unfair treatment and those employers would be out of business. You may not know this, but actual refugees with legitimate asylum claims are processed pretty quickly. I'm working with several Ukrainians right now, and America is taking care of them. Economic "refugees" don't get the same expedited handling. But they're perfectly able to apply for legal immigration, there's nothing stopping them, except the fact that the Biden/Harris administration has pretty well announced to the world that we're no longer enforcing our immigration laws so it's a free for all. And how lucky are we Americans to be able to accept the criminals, terrorists, and spies from all around the world, and to support them all too. BONUS!!! These Ukrainians you know have had their asylum hearing and a final decision has been made and they have their proper VISAs and are on track to become citizens?
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Post by dragonbait on Aug 11, 2024 13:21:18 GMT -5
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Aug 11, 2024 13:40:31 GMT -5
The left twists and distorts everything that they can to fit their agenda. What they can’t twist and distort they simply ignore
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Post by biminitwisted on Aug 11, 2024 13:41:50 GMT -5
The left twists and distorts everything that they can to fit their agenda. What they can’t twist and distort they simply ignore
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