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Post by cyclist on Jul 25, 2024 21:06:29 GMT -5
It must be nice to be able to dismiss as lies the words of people based on their last names and inferred/presumed religious affiliation.
There's even a word for that type of behavior right on the tip of my tongue.
WWJD?
Jesus would call them children of the devil because they deny He’s the Son of God. Jesus would very bluntly condemn Muhammad as a liar who didn’t know God. I know these things because Jesus stated it just that plainly in Scripture. If anyone denies He’s the Son of God, they’re speaking a lie and are of their father Satan. I have no doubt that Muhammad is smoking in hell right now, dreading his coming judgement where he’ll bow before Christ and confess that himself (Muhammad) deceived the Muslims and caused millions, if not billions of them, to go to hell. I have no doubt that Christ’s judgement of Muhammad will be terrible, worse than if he would have simply been an unbeliever. As for specifically how I can dismiss Muslims who speak ill of the Jews, I both know from experience that they lie often and easily about certain things, and I know that they are theologically predispositioned to hate the Jews and blame them for all manner of the Arabs’ ills. Islam plainly teaches it. And vice versa I'm afraid.
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Post by Tarponator on Jul 25, 2024 22:08:16 GMT -5
It must be nice to be able to dismiss as lies the words of people based on their last names and inferred/presumed religious affiliation.
There's even a word for that type of behavior right on the tip of my tongue.
WWJD?
Jesus would call them children of the devil because they deny He’s the Son of God. Jesus would very bluntly condemn Muhammad as a liar who didn’t know God. I know these things because Jesus stated it just that plainly in Scripture. If anyone denies He’s the Son of God, they’re speaking a lie and are of their father Satan. I have no doubt that Muhammad is smoking in hell right now, dreading his coming judgement where he’ll bow before Christ and confess that himself (Muhammad) deceived the Muslims and caused millions, if not billions of them, to go to hell. I have no doubt that Christ’s judgement of Muhammad will be terrible, worse than if he would have simply been an unbeliever. As for specifically how I can dismiss Muslims who speak ill of the Jews, I both know from experience that they lie often and easily about certain things, and I know that they are theologically predispositioned to hate the Jews and blame them for all manner of the Arabs’ ills. Islam plainly teaches it. With as much conviction and evidence, I know that Jesus would love each and every one of them....and have no doubt that would include the ones those doctors felt compelled to write about. The "Muslims", ridiculous generalizations aside, would likely say the very same thing about your faith, incidentally.
I also find it curious that you seem to conflate Israel with Jewry. Perhaps I have mistaken your intent, but you might want to rethink that.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 25, 2024 22:10:25 GMT -5
Jesus would call them children of the devil because they deny He’s the Son of God. Jesus would very bluntly condemn Muhammad as a liar who didn’t know God. I know these things because Jesus stated it just that plainly in Scripture. If anyone denies He’s the Son of God, they’re speaking a lie and are of their father Satan. I have no doubt that Muhammad is smoking in hell right now, dreading his coming judgement where he’ll bow before Christ and confess that himself (Muhammad) deceived the Muslims and caused millions, if not billions of them, to go to hell. I have no doubt that Christ’s judgement of Muhammad will be terrible, worse than if he would have simply been an unbeliever. As for specifically how I can dismiss Muslims who speak ill of the Jews, I both know from experience that they lie often and easily about certain things, and I know that they are theologically predispositioned to hate the Jews and blame them for all manner of the Arabs’ ills. Islam plainly teaches it. And vice versa I'm afraid. Not really. Other that prophesying that the descendants of Ismael would be at perpetual war with the legitimate descendants of Abraham, non-Talmudic Judaism doesn’t have much to say about the Arabs. There definitely isn’t any notion in the Old Testament that Arabs are an eternal enemy to be hated in any way like Muhammad taught Muslims concerning the Jews. Ismael and the Arabs by default have more baggage in Christianity, where the early Christian Apostles (who were Jews) taught under the direction of God’s Spirit that Ishmael, although was a historical person who’s life is accurately described in the Bible, existed as a form of living allegory for the contrast between spiritual slavery to God’s law, that no human can fulfill, vs God’s grace as demonstrated through the miraculous birth of Isaac, who was an allegory for Christ. It would have been no surprise to those first century Christians that a descendant of Ishmael would create a religion that claimed to be of God, but based on spiritual slavery (Islam means “to submit” as a slave submits). Judaism only has more to say about the Arabs if you reckon Arabs to be standing in the roll of the Ancient Egyptians and/or the Canaanites. Arabs were originally mostly of Egyptian stock. Abraham had Ishmael by an Egyptian slave woman, and Ishmael married an Egyptian woman. So the first Arab generation under Ishmael were 3/4 ancient Egyptian, 1/4 Abraham. The Egyptians of course later enslaved the Israelites. But to my recollection, God in the Old Testament actually instructs the Jews to not hate the Egyptians at least once in the Old Testament due to the long time the Israelites lived there. Originally they were guests not slaves. However, under Muhammad over 2,000 years later the Arabs began conquering the rest of the middle east and imposing the Arab language and customs on other groups. There is some genetic evidence that the modern Palestinians, who are Arab by language, religion, and culture, are ethnically Canaanite. If that’s true, then they got a triple wammy, being both the cultural decedents of Abraham’s illegitimate son destined to be at war with the Jews, the bearers of the false religion Islam that demands spiritual slavery dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and all the while being the actual blood descendants of the evil Canaanites.
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Jul 25, 2024 22:18:09 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 25, 2024 22:18:09 GMT -5
Jesus would call them children of the devil because they deny He’s the Son of God. Jesus would very bluntly condemn Muhammad as a liar who didn’t know God. I know these things because Jesus stated it just that plainly in Scripture. If anyone denies He’s the Son of God, they’re speaking a lie and are of their father Satan. I have no doubt that Muhammad is smoking in hell right now, dreading his coming judgement where he’ll bow before Christ and confess that himself (Muhammad) deceived the Muslims and caused millions, if not billions of them, to go to hell. I have no doubt that Christ’s judgement of Muhammad will be terrible, worse than if he would have simply been an unbeliever. As for specifically how I can dismiss Muslims who speak ill of the Jews, I both know from experience that they lie often and easily about certain things, and I know that they are theologically predispositioned to hate the Jews and blame them for all manner of the Arabs’ ills. Islam plainly teaches it. With as much conviction and evidence, I know that Jesus would love each and every one of them....and have no doubt that would include the ones those doctors felt compelled to write about. The "Muslims", ridiculous generalizations aside, would likely say the very same thing about your faith, incidentally.
I also find it curious that you seem to conflate Israel with Jewry. You might want to rethink that.
I can agree that He loves them as a people in life, but that love doesn’t stop Him from punishing them for their sins if they die in rejection of Him. And Jesus hates Him some false teachers that leads others to hell, to which Muhammad would be a chief. No, Jesus hates Muhammad for the evil he’s done and the millions or billions of human souls that Jesus loved but went to hell because of Muhammad’s lies. Islam is evil. It is Satanic. God does not love Islam. He hates Islam. He loves the individual humans who are enslaved to it. But there is a point where each chooses to remain in the lie instead of coming out of the bondage. Only God knows the point where He withdraws His Spirit from striving with the heart of an individual and leaves them to their fates to receive justice instead of mercy. But that point exists for each human who hears the Gospel of Christ and rejects it. God holds out His hand, but He eventually withdraws it at a time only He knows. Things will be very bad for the false teachers on the Day of Judgement.
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Post by Tarponator on Jul 25, 2024 22:42:48 GMT -5
Only if what you claim you know as truth is truth. Seems like rather long odds, so I'm not so sure. There is wisdom in every religion. At least those I've studied and come into contact with. They all think they're right. I am quite sure of that.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 25, 2024 22:57:17 GMT -5
Only if what you claim you know as truth is truth. Seems like rather long odds, so I'm not so sure. There is wisdom in every religion. At least those I've studied and come into contact with. They all think they're right. I am quite sure of that. Lies aren’t persuasive unless there’s a little bit of truth mixed in somewhere. When Satan lied to Eve, not everything he said was a lie on its face. He took some truth and twisted it with false implications as well as outright lies. Sometimes a lie can have a whole bunch of truth in it. Remember Penny Baxter’s “lie” to the Forresters in The Yearling. His words were totally true but were designed to be a complete deception. Satan often works that way. Your world view is based on the presumption of the existence of many lies being out there in the world. People who crusade for social justice have to believe that a need for justice is based upon a world and a system rife with lies and injustice. You already know that’s the state of things. Lies are everywhere. Now if my world view is correct, there are intelligences in the world that are non-human. Ancient beings whose knowledge and mental abilities are not confined to a flesh and blood brain like ours temporarily are. Whatever intelligence they were created with is paired with a lifespan of thousands of years with which they have observed humans. Do you think a being like that could tell you a convincing lie? If humans are full of lies, why would a spirit not be? There are many very real and amazing things a human can experience through various spiritual quests. “Real” does not equate to “true.”
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Post by Tarponator on Jul 25, 2024 23:11:11 GMT -5
Real and true? I agree and recognize the distinction between them. As for your question, rhetorical or not, I suspect a being like that could lie, just as might I suspect the perfect could not intentionally create imperfection. I cannot know such things much less experienced them as reality, and that is much more my world view.
I may be acerbic, direct, and unafraid to speak my mind -- and I can certainly understand why someone might think otherwise -- but I am no crusader.
And in fairness, you are quite correct in my belief in the prevalence of lies, believed or intentional.
Thank you for your responses. Sincerely.
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Post by misterjr on Jul 26, 2024 5:56:46 GMT -5
But Harris, the likely Democratic presidential nominee after President Joe Biden's exit from the race on Sunday, said she also remains concerned about the scale of human suffering in Gaza, “including the death of far too many innocent civilians.” “What has happened in Gaza over the past nine months is devastating – the images of dead children and desperate hungry people fleeing for safety, sometimes displaced for the second, third or fourth time,” she said. “We cannot look away in the face of these tragedies. We cannot allow ourselves to become numb to the suffering, and I will not be silent.” www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/07/25/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-hamas/74551459007/
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Post by cadman on Jul 26, 2024 7:19:40 GMT -5
Our dropping bombs in Japan has been debated of course, so has Dresden, and generally thought to have ultimately saved lives. WWII was the last war that really needed to be fought by Americans on the ground.
We killed over a hundred thousand innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan...two wars that never should have happened. What do you think? netanyahu has about half of Israel calling him out for what he is doing....he ain't innocent.
But you were cool with Clinton killing a million women and children in Iraq? Far more than Israel has killed and the Iraqis did NOTHING to us. Where is your source for that BS? You still reading Russian propaganda and posting it as fact?
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 26, 2024 7:49:21 GMT -5
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Post by misterjr on Jul 26, 2024 8:07:51 GMT -5
Israel will never have any peace as long as Netanyahu is in charge.
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Post by johngalt on Jul 26, 2024 8:43:11 GMT -5
Only if what you claim you know as truth is truth. Seems like rather long odds, so I'm not so sure. There is wisdom in every religion. At least those I've studied and come into contact with. They all think they're right. I am quite sure of that.
Why don’t you just read the Koran and listen to what the Muslims themselves say and do?
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Post by johngalt on Jul 26, 2024 8:48:43 GMT -5
Israel will never have any peace as long as Netanyahu is in charge. So it’s Israel that is at fault? Count on the fact that as soon as this Hamas crap is flushed down the toilet Netanyahu will be voted out of office. Just like Churchill was voted out in 1946. But for now the Israelis have a war to fight. And I hope they exterminate HAMAS.
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Post by meateater on Jul 26, 2024 15:19:17 GMT -5
Our dropping bombs in Japan has been debated of course, so has Dresden, and generally thought to have ultimately saved lives. WWII was the last war that really needed to be fought by Americans on the ground.
We killed over a hundred thousand innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan...two wars that never should have happened. What do you think? netanyahu has about half of Israel calling him out for what he is doing....he ain't innocent.
But you were cool with Clinton killing a million women and children in Iraq? Far more than Israel has killed and the Iraqis did NOTHING to us. it was bush and i believe its over a million if you wanna throw in afghanistan. clinton killed a shitload of serbs and bosniaks but who,s counting. civilians, women and children.
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Post by meateater on Jul 26, 2024 15:23:53 GMT -5
Israel will never have any peace as long as Netanyahu is in charge. israel hasnt had peace since 1948 , like i said you can go fuck yourself hamas lover.
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