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Post by Tarponator on Jul 17, 2024 17:25:38 GMT -5
Silly Cad. Anyone not fully on board the train is a communist, enemy of the people, or whatever pejorative comes to their closed mind.
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Post by JS84 on Jul 17, 2024 19:45:52 GMT -5
Let me ask this to you all, what differentiates a candidate from being conservative, being maga, and being ultra maga? I'm curious your rubric, so please do share
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 17, 2024 19:47:57 GMT -5
Let me ask this to you all, what differentiates a candidate from being conservative, being maga, and being ultra maga? I'm curious your rubric, so please do share Haley conservative, DeSantis MAGA, Trump Ultra-MAGA.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 17, 2024 19:48:58 GMT -5
Christie Conservative, Ramaswamy MAGA, Trump Ultra-MAGA
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Post by cadman on Jul 17, 2024 20:17:57 GMT -5
Let me ask this to you all, what differentiates a candidate from being conservative, being maga, and being ultra maga? I'm curious your rubric, so please do share i don't know MAGA vs ultra MAGA. MAGA is the Trump supporters who really believe his crap. As I have before, I understand the people who are holding their nose and voting Trump thinking he might be a little less worse than Biden. But those who believe his crap and are convinced the day he becomes President gas prices will drop, inflation will end, interest rates will drop back to 2%, all the wars will end, and immigrants will stop coming to the U.S. Those people are MAGAs. They are likely also conservatives, but would give that up if Trump told them to. They would do anything for Trump. Conservative is a sliding scale with some people more conservative than others. I wish we would return to the old Reagan conservative model. It is same for liberals, they need to go back to the Clinton liberal. Both sides have swung too far to the extreme.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 17, 2024 20:27:17 GMT -5
Romney Conservative, Johnson MAGA, Jordan Ultra-MAGA
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 17, 2024 20:28:35 GMT -5
Cheney conservative, Tim Scott MAGA, MT Greene Ultra-Maga
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Post by cadman on Jul 17, 2024 20:40:38 GMT -5
Thinking about it, maybe ultra MAGAs are the ones buying the shoes, bibles, etc, and donating their life savings to a billionaire who doesn't care about them one bit.
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Post by cyclist on Jul 17, 2024 21:07:37 GMT -5
Let me ask this to you all, what differentiates a candidate from being conservative, being maga, and being ultra maga? I'm curious your rubric, so please do share Magaa is populist isolationist election denying idiots who haven't read a newsworthy piece ever, relying on trump and his blogger felon for information...generally clueless. Unconstitutional traitors. Trumpers. Wokeness. Normal republican is fiscally conservative while letting folks do there own thing.
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Post by toldya on Jul 17, 2024 21:17:44 GMT -5
So, each anti-Trumper has their own version of what MAGA is.
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Post by toldya on Jul 17, 2024 21:22:13 GMT -5
MAGA is a term ,when used by anti-Trumpers , means anything they want it to mean as long as it might draw attention away from Biden.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 17, 2024 23:53:09 GMT -5
Let’s remember that 41/45 of his last cabinet won't endorse him .
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Post by JS84 on Jul 18, 2024 7:13:27 GMT -5
This was amusing. For the record, I'm not aware of anyone that believes, "gas prices will drop, inflation will end, interest rates will drop back to 2%, all the wars will end, and immigrants will stop coming to the U.S." just upon election. We do believe actual attention will be put toward those items though.
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Post by cadman on Jul 18, 2024 7:37:45 GMT -5
The plan I heard Trump put forth will raise inflation and increase deficit spending. A few members on here have said gas prices will go down once Trump says "drill baby drill" as President. Trump has said he will end the Ukraine war in 48 hours. Many seem to believe if Trump is elected everything will be like it was in 2018 and 2019 before Covid.
It ain't happening.
Immigration might be the only issue where his plan will lower the number some. If we have a recession, as I think we will in 2025, that will lower immigration as it always does. But the numbers will go back up afterward. Trump's reaction will be to give away large sums of money fueling a new round of inflation as we exit the recession and running up the debt to record number again.
But Biden would not do much different, so not sure it really matters which of the two idiots win.
Neither candidate has a plan to solve the real problems and get us back on track. It will be a rough four years no matter who wins. I think the President who wins in 2028 is going to have a tough job ahead of him or her. That person will be staring at a 5-year deadline on Social Security and have to convince Congress to make tough decisions. Along with public debt that will likely be near $35 trillion and total debt exceeding $40 trillion.
My biggest concern with Trump is the damage he is doing to the Republican party. I am afraid after his next four years, it may be impossible to get another Republican elected for quite a long time. i don't care if Biden fucks up the democrats, they need to reset anyways. But if Trump fractures the GOP as I think he will, you're looking a very liberal lean in 2026, 2028 and beyond.
I am trying to learn more about Vance. Some of his ideas are not terrible. Some are slightly nutty. But he might be the best out of the four on the ticket right now, If he gets out from under Trump's thumb and makes decisions on his own. Right now he is just playing Trump's second to get the VP position.
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Post by luapnor on Jul 18, 2024 7:54:41 GMT -5
The plan I heard Trump put forth will raise inflation and increase deficit spending. A few members on here have said gas prices will go down once Trump says "drill baby drill" as President. Trump has said he will end the Ukraine war in 48 hours. Many seem to believe if Trump is elected everything will be like it was in 2018 and 2019 before Covid. It ain't happening. Immigration might be the only issue where his plan will lower the number some. If we have a recession, as I think we will in 2025, that will lower immigration as it always does. But the numbers will go back up afterward. Trump's reaction will be to give away large sums of money fueling a new round of inflation as we exit the recession and running up the debt to record number again. But Biden would not do much different, so not sure it really matters which of the two idiots win. Neither candidate has a plan to solve the real problems and get us back on track. It will be a rough four years no matter who wins. I think the President who wins in 2028 is going to have a tough job ahead of him or her. That person will be staring at a 5-year deadline on Social Security and have to convince Congress to make tough decisions. Along with public debt that will likely be near $35 trillion and total debt exceeding $40 trillion. My biggest concern with Trump is the damage he is doing to the Republican party. I am afraid after his next four years, it may be impossible to get another Republican elected for quite a long time. i don't care if Biden fucks up the democrats, they need to reset anyways. But if Trump fractures the GOP as I think he will, you're looking a very liberal lean in 2026, 2028 and beyond. I am trying to learn more about Vance. Some of his ideas are not terrible. Some are slightly nutty. But he might be the best out of the four on the ticket right now, If he gets out from under Trump's thumb and makes decisions on his own. Right now he is just playing Trump's second to get the VP position. Thanks for your predictions!! The Republicans are damaged goods already, I doubt Trump makes them worse.
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