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Post by Mango Man on Jul 11, 2024 21:09:54 GMT -5
I don't wish any bad health on anyone , but it is what it is and all eyes are on someone that is trying to appear otherwise. This right here. Even this appearance was not very good for him. He was claiming (or pleading?) he wants to finish the job but his condition is not going to get any better. The dems are in a hellava bad position. I think their damned if they do and damned if they don't remove him.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 11, 2024 21:23:56 GMT -5
I don't wish any bad health on anyone , but it is what it is and all eyes are on someone that is trying to appear otherwise. This right here. Even this appearance was not very good for him. He was claiming (or pleading?) he wants to finish the job but his condition is not going to get any better. The dems are in a hellava bad position. I think their damned if they do and damned if they don't remove him. I don’t think they’re that damned if they remove him. I don’t believe there are Biden loyalists in any significant numbers that will refuse to vote for a new Democratic candidate out of protest if Biden is removed or steps down from the race. There are some people like me that may decide to vote for Trump if they nominate anyone further Left than Biden, but again I’m not sure there’s that many of us “no more Trumpers… but we’ll vote for him against a radical Leftist” types to make a difference. I would think that almost any candidate will give them a better chance than Biden. Even if that candidate ends up losing anyhow. Its still their only shot. Biden cannot win. People will abstain or vote against him due to his mental capacity alone.
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Post by luapnor on Jul 11, 2024 21:54:14 GMT -5
The way democrats rig the democratic process! RNC tried it in 2016. Last time before that was the DNC in 1980. Both attempts failed then and would likely fail now Bernie has entered the chat.
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 11, 2024 23:01:12 GMT -5
Theoretically, they could, but it would hurt the party. There are only two scenarios that work. One is Biden drops out of the race and releases his delegates or endorses a successor. The other would be for Harris and his cabinet to invoke the 25th and remove him from office. But congress would need to agree and if Trump thinks he could beat Biden easier than a replacement, he could have them fight it. Which would be an odd scenario. I think anything else would likely assure Trump wins with a fractured Democrat party You are forgetting one important fact. Money. According to the law Harris has to be moved to the top of the ticket if Biden drops out or is removed. Or else all that money has to be returned. Not true, it can be rolled into a super pact. Couldn’t be spent by the campaign directly , but wouldn’t have to be returned.
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Post by cadman on Jul 12, 2024 6:49:21 GMT -5
This right here. Even this appearance was not very good for him. He was claiming (or pleading?) he wants to finish the job but his condition is not going to get any better. The dems are in a hellava bad position. I think their damned if they do and damned if they don't remove him. I don’t think they’re that damned if they remove him. I don’t believe there are Biden loyalists in any significant numbers that will refuse to vote for a new Democratic candidate out of protest if Biden is removed or steps down from the race. There are some people like me that may decide to vote for Trump if they nominate anyone further Left than Biden, but again I’m not sure there’s that many of us “no more Trumpers… but we’ll vote for him against a radical Leftist” types to make a difference. I would think that almost any candidate will give them a better chance than Biden. Even if that candidate ends up losing anyhow. Its still their only shot. Biden cannot win. People will abstain or vote against him due to his mental capacity alone. Polling numbers don't support your theory. Biden's support has not decreased since the debate looking at the same pollsters, before and after. I think Trump has a core base that supports him and a base that hates him. Biden has a core base that will support him no matter what and a base that will vote for him just because he ain't Trump. It appears support is around 42% to 46% for both men depending on the poll. RFK is getting about 8% of the vote, taking votes from both. But those numbers are not moving a great deal post debate. The fear, I think, is another bad performance like the debate could be devastating even though the first one did not seem to affect voters. I had anticipated Biden's numbers dropping, but it isn't happening yet.
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Post by johngalt on Jul 12, 2024 7:46:00 GMT -5
All of you do realize that the rest of the world watched both that debate and yesterday’s news conference? And that includes both our allies and adversaries. America is a weak rudderless country today.
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Post by toldya on Jul 12, 2024 7:50:56 GMT -5
All of you do realize that the rest of the world watched both that debate and yesterday’s news conference? And that includes both our allies and adversaries. America is a weak rudderless country today. Dems are only interested in winning . They're not talking about what is best for the Country now.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 12, 2024 7:55:42 GMT -5
I don’t think they’re that damned if they remove him. I don’t believe there are Biden loyalists in any significant numbers that will refuse to vote for a new Democratic candidate out of protest if Biden is removed or steps down from the race. There are some people like me that may decide to vote for Trump if they nominate anyone further Left than Biden, but again I’m not sure there’s that many of us “no more Trumpers… but we’ll vote for him against a radical Leftist” types to make a difference. I would think that almost any candidate will give them a better chance than Biden. Even if that candidate ends up losing anyhow. Its still their only shot. Biden cannot win. People will abstain or vote against him due to his mental capacity alone. Polling numbers don't support your theory. Biden's support has not decreased since the debate looking at the same pollsters, before and after. I think Trump has a core base that supports him and a base that hates him. Biden has a core base that will support him no matter what and a base that will vote for him just because he ain't Trump. It appears support is around 42% to 46% for both men depending on the poll. RFK is getting about 8% of the vote, taking votes from both. But those numbers are not moving a great deal post debate. The fear, I think, is another bad performance like the debate could be devastating even though the first one did not seem to affect voters. I had anticipated Biden's numbers dropping, but it isn't happening yet. You mean specifically my assertion that he can’t win?
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Post by johngalt on Jul 12, 2024 8:01:22 GMT -5
My bet is that they will push Joe and Dr. Jill out(probably with a large payoff $ and a promise of a pardon) elevate Harris, make either Newsome or Whitmere VP. After they win Harris is sent packing.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jul 12, 2024 8:11:09 GMT -5
We need to make a big change. We have to steer to the right
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jul 12, 2024 8:12:40 GMT -5
My bet is that they will push Joe and Dr. Jill out(probably with a large payoff $ and a promise of a pardon) elevate Harris, make either Newsome or Whitmere VP. After they win Harris is sent packing. Let’s just hope that they don’t win. Trump isn’t great or maybe even good but he’s better
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jul 12, 2024 8:13:53 GMT -5
Can you imagine America with Newsome and Harris in charge. Oh No !
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Post by johngalt on Jul 12, 2024 8:15:55 GMT -5
Can you imagine America with Newsome and Harris in charge. Oh No ! Why not? California is the golden state! Thousands of people a day are heading there!👍
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Post by olmucky on Jul 12, 2024 8:25:02 GMT -5
It's almost like they have the freedom to disagree and not be labeled an america-hater for voicing them. Funny how that works. LOLOLOL.... Biden has been like this for 4 years. Not a single cowardly Democrat would speak up out of abject fear of retribution from their party. Now when it is so obvious that they look like idiots for not speaking up, They HAVE to jump on the "Biden is incompetent" train so they arent the last one. Any one with 1/2 brain saw it when he ran his campaign from the basement
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Post by olmucky on Jul 12, 2024 8:27:02 GMT -5
It is already illegal for non citizens to vote in federal elections. As the saying goes on another issue about too many federal laws, all we need to do is enforce the current laws. The Silly boy, we only enforce laws when it suits our party
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