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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 1, 2024 17:32:31 GMT -5
Great news for Biden. If Trump gets reelected he won't be able to go after Joe for criminal misconduct. Biden could just have him taken care of as part of his official acts and problem solved. In the new American one man is above the law. I just hope the person currently wielding that power has the courage to do the right thing and use their immunity to the fullest extent. Accept bribe for pardon = Immune Political assassination = Immune
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Post by cadman on Jul 1, 2024 17:34:40 GMT -5
Pretty sure neither would qualify as official presidential acts.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 1, 2024 17:39:29 GMT -5
Fanatical Federalists Society fucks have fuked America good. Can't wait for unintended consequences to bite them all in the ass.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 1, 2024 17:41:19 GMT -5
Pretty sure neither would qualify as official presidential acts. Nope. This decision says different. Essentially anything done while in office for any official process put the President above the law.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 1, 2024 17:43:19 GMT -5
“When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution,” Sotomayor wrote in dissent.
“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune,” she continued. “Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.” [/b]
Sotomayor
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Post by cadman on Jul 1, 2024 18:00:27 GMT -5
Read the actual ruling. Presidents do not have immunity for unofficial acts no matter what Sotomayor claims. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf At a minimum, the President must be immune from prosecution for an official act unless the Government can show that applying a criminal prohibition to that act would pose no “dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch.” (3) As for a President’s unofficial acts, there is no immunity. Although Presidential immunity is required for official actions to ensure that the President’s decisionmaking is not distorted by the threat of future litigation stemming from those actions, that concern does not support immunity for unofficial conduct.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 1, 2024 18:04:51 GMT -5
Read the actual ruling. Presidents do not have immunity for unofficial acts no matter what Sotomayor claims. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf At a minimum, the President must be immune from prosecution for an official act unless the Government can show that applying a criminal prohibition to that act would pose no “dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch.” (3) As for a President’s unofficial acts, there is no immunity. Although Presidential immunity is required for official actions to ensure that the President’s decisionmaking is not distorted by the threat of future litigation stemming from those actions, that concern does not support immunity for unofficial conduct.How could the government show that prosecuting a bribe for a pardon poses no danger to the authority and functions of the Executive Branch when by definition the power of the pardon is the executive's exclusive purview?
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 1, 2024 18:06:15 GMT -5
Same goes for asking the Justice Department to quash investigations, or really anything having to do with the powers of the Executive
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 1, 2024 18:08:06 GMT -5
They purposely left the definition of official acts ambiguous to give trump as much cover as possible.
I just hope Biden and Harris have the courage to use those new found powers to the fullest extent before January 21st.
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 1, 2024 20:09:16 GMT -5
It gave him a get out of jail free card in the documents case.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Jul 1, 2024 20:10:15 GMT -5
Oh I can not wait till December
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Post by dragonbait on Jul 1, 2024 20:11:39 GMT -5
It gave him a get out of jail free card in the documents case. I don’t think so as he refused to give them back, there is that pesky obstruction thingy to worry about
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Post by cadman on Jul 1, 2024 20:13:23 GMT -5
It gave him a get out of jail free card in the documents case. Nope, he was not in office at the time he committed the crimes he is charged with. Scotus ruling only applied while in office.
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Post by luapnor on Jul 2, 2024 6:19:31 GMT -5
It gave him a get out of jail free card in the documents case. I don’t think so as he refused to give them back, there is that pesky obstruction thingy to worry about You mean that thing that fell apart in the kangaroo courts over J6?
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Post by cadman on Jul 2, 2024 7:18:12 GMT -5
I don’t think so as he refused to give them back, there is that pesky obstruction thingy to worry about You mean that thing that fell apart in the kangaroo courts over J6? Nope, two different issues.
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