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Post by cadman on Jun 28, 2024 7:03:38 GMT -5
I doubt anyone was happy with Biden's performance. His team is probably working overtime to spin this. He looked bad. I doubt he lost voters, but the problem is, he needed to win voters and he failed in that. White House Doctor is now saying Biden has a cold. Bullshit… They should switch to saying he has Covid, claim brain fog from it, throw him in the hospital for a week or two, and then have him bow out due to complications from Covid. If you're gonna make up a story, go for the big one.
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Post by cadman on Jun 28, 2024 7:05:46 GMT -5
It had to be intentional for the handlers to allow Biden to do this. Now they can hand pick his replacement now that the primaries are over. The dem voters never get a choice. Biden has to volunteer to remove himself from the ticket and free his delegates. I do not see him doing that based on one debate performance.
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Post by bswiv on Jun 28, 2024 7:09:23 GMT -5
Oh no, he lost voters. I forced my 17 year old and 20 year old to watch it. By the end they asked me is there anyone else we can vote for. Let me rephrase what I said and I think I alluded to in another post. Biden did not lose any voters to Trump. I think, as your kids said, "is there anyone else". I think the number of people who joined my camp of not voting for either one increased last night. Trump's support numbers, I don't think will change much, maybe 1 or 2 points at best. Biden's poll numbers will drop and third party will increase after last. That might be the solution for the Democrats. Leave Biden on the ticket as the Dem nominee, but put up a third party candidate and throw the $200 million you got to him and get the big money donors to push a third party nominee. Republicans could do the same, but they are all scared of Trump. A good third party might even move some big money Republicans over to support him/her. This might be the opening somebody like Joe Manchin was looking for to jump into the race. You may be wrong about that because of some cultural norms we tend to forget. Of the traditional Democrats the two groups ( are they groups? ) who've been moving away from them the most are black men and Hispanics in general. Why that has been so is up for debate. In the instance at hand it is worth remembering that both black men and Hispanics in general have cultural norms very similar to those I saw among my mother's Italian family......they do not like weak men. It may not make them vote for Trump......but it surely will not make them want to go to the polls.
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Post by bswiv on Jun 28, 2024 7:11:42 GMT -5
It had to be intentional for the handlers to allow Biden to do this. Now they can hand pick his replacement now that the primaries are over. The dem voters never get a choice. Biden has to volunteer to remove himself from the ticket and free his delegates. I do not see him doing that based on one debate performance. What about the 26th Amendment? Don't know how much further he needs to decline for that to be used but it is another option, a option that mucks up all the political calculus even further.
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Post by garycoleco on Jun 28, 2024 7:19:36 GMT -5
It had to be intentional for the handlers to allow Biden to do this. Now they can hand pick his replacement now that the primaries are over. The dem voters never get a choice. 100% Bidens handlers never wanted him to run for a second term. He's just been going along with it since 2020
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Post by cadman on Jun 28, 2024 7:21:00 GMT -5
Let me rephrase what I said and I think I alluded to in another post. Biden did not lose any voters to Trump. I think, as your kids said, "is there anyone else". I think the number of people who joined my camp of not voting for either one increased last night. Trump's support numbers, I don't think will change much, maybe 1 or 2 points at best. Biden's poll numbers will drop and third party will increase after last. That might be the solution for the Democrats. Leave Biden on the ticket as the Dem nominee, but put up a third party candidate and throw the $200 million you got to him and get the big money donors to push a third party nominee. Republicans could do the same, but they are all scared of Trump. A good third party might even move some big money Republicans over to support him/her. This might be the opening somebody like Joe Manchin was looking for to jump into the race. You may be wrong about that because of some cultural norms we tend to forget. Of the traditional Democrats the two groups ( are they groups? ) who've been moving away from them the most are black men and Hispanics in general. Why that has been so is up for debate. In the instance at hand it is worth remembering that both black men and Hispanics in general have cultural norms very similar to those I saw among my mother's Italian family......they do not like weak men. It may not make them vote for Trump......but it surely will not make them want to go to the polls. I think that is what I said. Biden did not lose votes to Trump, but more people will join me in not voting for either candidate. i do not think Trump helped himself with black or hispanic voters last night. Especially saying illegals are taking the black folk's jobs.
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Post by cadman on Jun 28, 2024 7:31:14 GMT -5
Biden has to volunteer to remove himself from the ticket and free his delegates. I do not see him doing that based on one debate performance. What about the 26th Amendment? Don't know how much further he needs to decline for that to be used but it is another option, a option that mucks up all the political calculus even further. i think you mean the 25th amendment. I doubt, at this point, they would remove Biden as President and let Kamala take over. It would only stop him from finishing his term and piss him off. It also would not change anything at the convention. Under the DNC rules and current state election rules, all those delegates are pledged to Biden. He would have to release them for them to vote for anyone else. Anything else and all hell would break loose at the convention as each state tried to push their own delegates and candidates. Invoking the 25th would not help in persuading him to do that. Unless the DNC and enough states change their bylaws, have them voted on and violate the principles they claim to believe about democracy and voters choosing the candidate, Biden is their man unless he voluntarily steps down. anything else would be a disaster for the democratic party. Besides, who do they have, besides Kamala or Newsome, that would jump in and take over? Neither one of them can beat Trump.
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Post by johngalt on Jun 28, 2024 7:48:22 GMT -5
A lot will happen between now and the election. And that’s what should scare the hell out of everyone. You do realize that CNN is seen around the world.
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Post by cyclist on Jun 28, 2024 7:48:37 GMT -5
Joe Biden must not except the democratic nomination and it should be an open convention. Any competent person could have destroyed Trump. Time to hang it up. Jill was just leading a 4 more years chant. He will not go gently into that goodnight. Love that poem...gentle. not gently though.
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Post by johngalt on Jun 28, 2024 7:53:42 GMT -5
Last night verifies what I have suspected all along. Biden is nothing more than a sock puppet. The real President is Barry Soreto aka. Barrack Hussain Obama and his cabal of unelected bureaucrats. It’s their policies that we and others are paying for.
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Post by cadman on Jun 28, 2024 7:57:41 GMT -5
I read a funny one this morning.
In a normal universe, the guy who said "I did not have sex with a porn star" would be the loser of the debate. This is not a normal universe.
We are screwed.
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Post by cadman on Jun 28, 2024 7:59:41 GMT -5
Jill was just leading a 4 more years chant. He will not go gently into that goodnight. Love that poem...gentle. not gently though. Also, good night not goodnight.
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Post by nikonoclast on Jun 28, 2024 8:43:38 GMT -5
"Draft Michelle"A new Democratic ticket: Michelle Obama / Katie Porter
Michelle for president, and Katy for attack dog VP ! Is there a single Republican VP nominee who could debate Katie Porter? Michelle Obama could wipe the floor with Trump face to face. Who does the drafting? Would that be power brokers, big financial donors, "special interest" players? Or are you suggesting that Team D, with its known adherence to "democracy", run the whole thing by the VOTERS again? But you have to be careful here as you've been playing the "democracy" card hard and it's a good bet at least a few members of Team D will decide that the insiders and the power brokers decision to replace is not "democracy"......... Lord is politics fun! There's no doubt that Democratic "power brokers" shafted the public in 2016, and could very well do it again. They sandbagged themselves, and Bernie Sanders, to run a candidate with the lowest approval numbers in history! ( Is there any doubt Hillary Clinton would have been miles better than Trump? ) That was the deal when she handed the nomination to Obama ... she was next in line. Maybe that's the answer ... run Hillary again!America Loves A Grudge Match! "I'm not a member of an organized political party. I'm a Democrat."
Will Rogers
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Post by tampaspicer on Jun 28, 2024 8:54:53 GMT -5
Haven't read a single post in this thread.
I came her to say THIS
FUCKED FOR FOUR MORE YEARS
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 28, 2024 9:02:17 GMT -5
First stage in the nefarious demlibglobosocialist plan to justify a "fresh" replacement candidate... how's that for my conspiracy theory for the day?
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