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Post by gandy on Jun 22, 2024 13:57:00 GMT -5
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Post by Tarponator on Jun 22, 2024 13:59:43 GMT -5
In Louisiana, maybe so. Everywhere else, not so much. Not sure what’s so concerning to you about restoring morality in America. I don’t care how it’s done but it’s apparent that our country could use some significant improvement in that regard. Because neither you nor I should get to impose our religious "morals" -- if that's what you want to call them -- on others.
For instance, and to show how silly your point is: WTF does making idols have to do with morality? Worshiping more than one god? Absolutely nothing.
By way of a second example, and to show the hypocrisy of this topic: What do you do on the sabbath? Are you amoral for ignoring this commandment?
Nothing wrong with teaching morality in schools -- just don't fall into the christofacist hole and confuse imposing your (or my) religion with morality.
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Post by OhMy on Jun 22, 2024 14:01:30 GMT -5
This is government overreach.
Imagine if the Koran was quoted in every classroom. Keep all religion out of the classroom and out of our laws.
I hope technology can change the way we govern ourselves.
Instead of laws being decided by elected politicians let it go back to the people.
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Post by Tarponator on Jun 22, 2024 14:02:33 GMT -5
Thank you, OhMy, for injecting some rationality into this otherwise ridiculous discussion.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Jun 22, 2024 14:04:17 GMT -5
1. You shall have no other gods before me. 2. You shall make no idols. Well the Buddhists and Hindus are screwed. Isn't it kinda in a way making an idol of the 10 commandments.....
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Post by OhMy on Jun 22, 2024 14:06:40 GMT -5
Thank you, Conchy, for injecting some rationality into this otherwise ridiculous discussion. Conchy has not posted on this thread.
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Post by Tarponator on Jun 22, 2024 14:07:41 GMT -5
Thank you, Conchy, for injecting some rationality into this otherwise ridiculous discussion. Conchy has not posted on this thread. Thanks OhMy. My bad. Corrected.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 22, 2024 14:08:57 GMT -5
Maybe the mindset of the judiciary has changed. And in this situation the government is mandating it. The government mandating a religious text be posted in every classroom is state sponsored religion. You want your kids to learn the 10 commandments , that’s what church is for. My question is a trick question. Something did change about the First Amendment between the 1800s and now. Well you gonna keep it a secret , or do I have to get my google finger ready, I got grass to cut.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 22, 2024 14:21:00 GMT -5
My question is a trick question. Something did change about the First Amendment between the 1800s and now. Well you gonna keep it a secret , or do I have to get my google finger ready, I got grass to cut. From 1788 to 1925 the First Amendment didn’t apply to the States. Therefore schoolhouse displays of Christianity weren’t considered legally problematic. Also consider that non-local government involvement with the school system was minimal back then. Because the First Amendment does now apply to the States, a State legislature cannot do what Federal Congress cannot do.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 22, 2024 14:23:07 GMT -5
So from 1788 to 1925 state legislatures could suppress speech?
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Post by walkerdog on Jun 22, 2024 14:34:45 GMT -5
In Louisiana, maybe so. Everywhere else, not so much. Not sure what’s so concerning to you about restoring morality in America. I don’t care how it’s done but it’s apparent that our country could use some significant improvement in that regard. Because neither you nor I should get to impose our religious "morals" -- if that's what you want to call them -- on others.
For instance, and to show how silly your point is: WTF does making idols have to do with morality? Worshiping more than one god? Absolutely nothing.
By way of a second example, and to show the hypocrisy of this topic: What do you do on the sabbath? Are you amoral for ignoring this commandment?
Nothing wrong with teaching morality in
schools -- just don't fall into the christofacist hole and confuse imposing your (or my) religion with morality.
Religion is but one source of morals. Its far from the only one. I don’t care where they come from but we need to do better than we are doing today. Maybe you missed my comment about not supporting mandates. You or others may like them but I don’t. Reminders are not mandates. Neither are monuments, statues, or the like. If you question whether or not morals standards are lacking today as compared to the past, look at the stats on single parent households and divorce rates. Or maybe you would prefer to examine the number of baby mommas today where each of her children have a different father as opposed to 60 years ago. There is no question that we can definitely do better than we have been lately as a nation.
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Post by Tarponator on Jun 22, 2024 14:39:50 GMT -5
WTF does that have to do with posting the 10 commandments in classrooms?
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Post by walkerdog on Jun 22, 2024 14:40:23 GMT -5
Thank you, OhMy, for injecting some rationality into this otherwise ridiculous discussion. Rediculous with your suppositions despite words to the contrary, I agree. You’re reminiscent of a woman with a bee in her bonnet. 🤣
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Post by Tarponator on Jun 22, 2024 14:45:52 GMT -5
Thank you, OhMy, for injecting some rationality into this otherwise ridiculous discussion. Rediculous with your suppositions despite words to the contrary, I agree. You’re reminiscent of a woman with a bee in her bonnet. 🤣 Supposition my ass. Read the title of the thread.
It's spelled "ridiculous", incidentally.
Perhaps they should put that word on classroom walls as some seem to need reminding.
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Post by walkerdog on Jun 22, 2024 14:48:55 GMT -5
Let’s not talk about your ass. Not really interested.
I get that you think it’s state sponsorship of what you like to call christofaschist or some such nonsense.
What you missed is the part where I don’t care if it comes from the teachings of Buddha or Mohammed, or Christ or Tarponator. If it promotes a better moral foundation, I’m all for it. For me it’s not a religious issue. There is no doubt that religions promote morals but there are non religious sources as well. None are offensive to me.
We’ll, except maybe you.🤪
I saw your incorrect spelling of a word again the other day. Didn’t say anything at the time, because I don’t really care. I assume the source was the same as mine. Fat fingers. It happens. NBD
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