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Post by tonyroma on Jun 15, 2024 9:14:45 GMT -5
I don't believe it can happen. We will probably be able to make something that so replicates a living soul that it couldn't be distinguished from a human. But it won't really be alive, it will just be a soulless gollum. But we can't see each other souls, we can only observe each other and make presumptions about what we see. We probable could create an AI that seems so alive that we couldn't prove it isn't. I can understand though why someone would fear the invention of a true AI if the person believes consciousness is the product of the human brain and nothing more. If a lump of flesh in the right configuration can produce true consciousness, why couldn't true consciousness be created inorganically? Although if that's your view, consider that an AI isn't a random creation of chance, but of intelligent design. Then ask yourself how something intricately crafted by deliberate intelligence as the AI is would have just randomly came about in yourself through random natural processes. There are scientists attempting to download the entire memory of the human brain to a computer. What happens the day they can download you to a robot body? I’ll finally be able to dance and dunk.
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Post by gandy on Jun 15, 2024 9:20:27 GMT -5
Surely IT will abide the Geneva convention. Didn't think of that. Everyone is focused on the greater good of mankind
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Post by gandy on Jun 15, 2024 9:22:26 GMT -5
I don't believe it can happen. We will probably be able to make something that so replicates a living soul that it couldn't be distinguished from a human. But it won't really be alive, it will just be a soulless gollum. But we can't see each other souls, we can only observe each other and make presumptions about what we see. We probable could create an AI that seems so alive that we couldn't prove it isn't. I can understand though why someone would fear the invention of a true AI if the person believes consciousness is the product of the human brain and nothing more. If a lump of flesh in the right configuration can produce true consciousness, why couldn't true consciousness be created inorganically? Although if that's your view, consider that an AI isn't a random creation of chance, but of intelligent design. Then ask yourself how something intricately crafted by deliberate intelligence as the AI is would have just randomly came about in yourself through random natural processes. There are scientists attempting to download the entire memory of the human brain to a computer. What happens the day they can download you to a robot body?
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Post by mapper on Jun 15, 2024 9:51:12 GMT -5
Well the voight-kampff machine needs to be built first.
Leon voight-kampff test
Rachel voight-kampff test
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Post by luapnor on Jun 15, 2024 11:23:59 GMT -5
There is no AI...it hasn't even been conceived yet.
If and when it happens, it will be extremely dangerous. It won't care about any human moral code, it will resort to logic to support all decisions... progressives are fucked but eventually all humans will be destroyed by AI.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 15, 2024 11:38:47 GMT -5
Logic sounds great unless you are on the shit side of the logical decision. People over 65 consume too many resources and no longer produce labor or products. For the good of the planet all humans will be recycled at the age of 65. ITS PEOPLE!
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Post by gandy on Jun 15, 2024 11:45:28 GMT -5
Logic sounds great unless you are on the shit side of the logical decision. People over 65 consume too many resources and no longer produce labor or products. For the good of the planet all humans will be recycled at the age of 65. ITS PEOPLE! You use that number like people can't be deemed useless at 20yo.
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Post by gandy on Jun 15, 2024 11:46:04 GMT -5
on that same note, the wise will be useless to the AI
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 15, 2024 11:48:13 GMT -5
Logic sounds great unless you are on the shit side of the logical decision. People over 65 consume too many resources and no longer produce labor or products. For the good of the planet all humans will be recycled at the age of 65. ITS PEOPLE! You use that number like people can't be deemed useless at 20yo. True, all just depends on the objective and who or what the AI is loyal to. If the goal was to insure the existence of mankind for as long as possible the decisions made would not be pretty.
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Post by conchydong on Jun 15, 2024 15:26:39 GMT -5
Logic sounds great unless you are on the shit side of the logical decision. People over 65 consume too many resources and no longer produce labor or products. For the good of the planet all humans will be recycled at the age of 65. ITS PEOPLE! You won’t feel that way when you’re 65.
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Post by Mango Man on Jun 15, 2024 17:49:19 GMT -5
I think you've forgotten how much people 65 and over can still contribute. Experience and wisdom is something that can't be duplicated
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 15, 2024 19:14:38 GMT -5
I think you've forgotten how much people 65 and over can still contribute. Experience and wisdom is something that can't be duplicated AI won’t care, like I said earlier, the decisions will not be good if it’s left up to logic.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 15, 2024 20:05:49 GMT -5
You use that number like people can't be deemed useless at 20yo. True, all just depends on the objective and who or what the AI is loyal to. If the goal was to insure the existence of mankind for as long as possible the decisions made would not be pretty. True AI wont care about mankind. You think anyone survives real AI? Youll cooperate with it as long as your demographic isnt the current target. Likely it will cut off the useless eaters first.
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Post by Zif on Jun 15, 2024 20:20:29 GMT -5
And to think Mr Roboto came out in 1983. Never cared that much for it at the time. But in retrospect it was prophetic.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 15, 2024 22:02:18 GMT -5
I don't believe it can happen. We will probably be able to make something that so replicates a living soul that it couldn't be distinguished from a human. But it won't really be alive, it will just be a soulless gollum. But we can't see each other souls, we can only observe each other and make presumptions about what we see. We probable could create an AI that seems so alive that we couldn't prove it isn't. I can understand though why someone would fear the invention of a true AI if the person believes consciousness is the product of the human brain and nothing more. If a lump of flesh in the right configuration can produce true consciousness, why couldn't true consciousness be created inorganically? Although if that's your view, consider that an AI isn't a random creation of chance, but of intelligent design. Then ask yourself how something intricately crafted by deliberate intelligence as the AI is would have just randomly came about in yourself through random natural processes. There are scientists attempting to download the entire memory of the human brain to a computer. What happens the day they can download you to a robot body? I don’t believe they’ll ever be able to download my essence to a machine. I believe humans are amazing beings capable of great things. Things that can mimic God in a very low and limited capacity, like a child trying to impersonate his or her parent. In that regard, we can mimic creation. Not from scratch as God made all things, but its been given to us to modify what God made within limits. But there is a wall we can’t go past. Death itself is a spiritual curse, not a mere biological process. Therefore humans will not be able to permanently beat death by human power. In the same vein, I don’t think we’ll ever be able to transfer a human mind from one body to another. That will in effect be transferring a soul, which up to this point we can’t scientifically quantify at all. Now whether my memories or other aspects of me that are encoded into by brain can be copied and duplicated like a file on a computer, I have no idea. It wouldn’t be “me” being transferred, but instead images or thoughts being encoded onto something. Like a mind-reading device. That might be possible.
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