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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 10, 2024 9:29:00 GMT -5
Those Tomcat chunks will get rid of rodents better than anything. That's all I use.
I may be wrong but I think it causes a powerful thirst in the animal that ingested it and drives them to seek water. That can make them vacate your home to find a drink before they die. At least that has been my experience.
Maybe just a wives tale. I dunno, but it works for me.
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Post by cyclist on Jun 10, 2024 9:49:31 GMT -5
Those Tomcat chunks will get rid of rodents better than anything. That's all I use. I may be wrong but I think it causes a powerful thirst in the animal that ingested it and drives them to seek water. That can make them vacate your home to find a drink before they die. At least that has been my experience. Maybe just a wives tale. I dunno, but it works for me. Then an owl or hawk or snake or fox easily catches them then it also dies.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 10, 2024 10:06:25 GMT -5
Those Tomcat chunks will get rid of rodents better than anything. That's all I use. I may be wrong but I think it causes a powerful thirst in the animal that ingested it and drives them to seek water. That can make them vacate your home to find a drink before they die. At least that has been my experience. Maybe just a wives tale. I dunno, but it works for me. Then an owl or hawk or snake or fox easily catches them then it also dies. That is certainly tragic Pete, but it is of no concern to me. I require effectiveness and efficiency, and I need it immediately.
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Post by tampaspicer on Jun 10, 2024 11:08:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't use poison. As Cyclist mentioned it could poison useful predators.
I'd buy some traps and affix some wire to them so they can't disappear. We use to have those Norway rats where I grew up. We'd set traps and hunt them and night with bb guns. We'd get a lot of them too for a while and then they'd slowly disappear for a while. Keep at them hard and eventually you'll notice a difference in the population.
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Post by richm on Jun 10, 2024 11:12:57 GMT -5
Roof rats = black rats (the historic plague rat). Naturally lives in trees and lives in high places and walls around humans. Norway rat = brown or “warf” rat. Lives in holes in the ground. Wood rat = any number of solitary or mostly solitary native rats of the woods. Usually have very large “alien” looking eyes compared to the brown and black rats. Better night vision for living in the wild. Florida has a lot of roof rats. On my farm the brown and black rats generally can’t make it. Too many natural predators. On occasion my dogs will kill gigantic wood rats of various species. Musk rats too. None of them cause problems around the farm. They’re too spread out and solitary to infest anywhere. Deer mice, on the other had, are a major problem at times. Mostly by getting in my wife’s truck. For some reason they’re attracted to her truck. We’ve caught as many as a dozen back to back nights. And where the deer mice go, so do the snakes. And the last thing we need is a timber rattler following one into the truck. Or even a rat snake. That would cause my wife and daughter to crash should a rat snake come out on them on the highway. We’ve found poison is the only way to control them. I put poison under my home. I use some pretty toxic stuff for quick kills (Tomcat’s bromethalin chunks). That, some roach paste, and permethrin are the only chemicals of any sort I’ll put out on my farm for any purpose. I don’t even poison fireants or use weed killer. But the poison is the only way to keep the deer mice away from the truck. I don’t ever find the bodies and I don’t see incidental damage, which could include my dogs and chickens (my chickens will catch and eat rodents). I exterminate grey rat snakes and all venomous snakes as I find them. But other snakes get a pass and they help. I have a corn snake in my barn that does a good job of keeping rodents out of the barn. I also have small weasels. But that’s a mixed bag because they take chickens on rare occasion. My dogs are good at catching wood and musk rats but generally ignore deer mice. These guys are cute, brown rats (big mice). We called em pack rats up north. They are from about 6 inches to 8 inches long (we do have some younger ones too). Long tail, blend in with dead grass like no tomorrow. They live in my neighbors car graveyard - he's got a bunch of cars back there. Wife says she has seen 6+ at a time - this is all very recent. Just need to hit em fast and hard. We got the big mother rat yesterday, never saw the big daddy rat - he looks like a boar hog w them nuts. Will scrape up the sun flower seeds under the feeder and keep the live traps going. Also found out what was wrong with my pellet rifle - wife had knocked it over the rear sight was loose. I was blaming the cocking mechanism of the gun itself but now think it is gonna be a tack driver again. Gonna consider the hack in the video about putting a hood over the mouse trap trigger. Gummies seem like a nice bait too. Peanut butter doesn't work for whatever reason.
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Post by ferris1248 on Jun 10, 2024 11:18:53 GMT -5
Give them some of Spicer's gummies. They'll die smiling.
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Post by tampaspicer on Jun 10, 2024 11:27:27 GMT -5
Give them some of Spicer's gummies. They'll die smiling. Dose the bird feeder LOL
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Post by ferris1248 on Jun 10, 2024 11:33:47 GMT -5
Give them some of Spicer's gummies. They'll die smiling. Dose the bird feeder LOL Can you imagine a hummingbird on gummy water? That'd be like a F-22 pilot doing Orange Sunshine.
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Post by tampaspicer on Jun 10, 2024 11:36:23 GMT -5
If I knew there was some Orange Sunshine in there I'd drink some too LOL
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Post by ferris1248 on Jun 10, 2024 11:39:38 GMT -5
"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."
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Post by tampaspicer on Jun 10, 2024 11:42:22 GMT -5
I had some a couple years ago. What a ride LOL
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 10, 2024 19:10:14 GMT -5
Literally! Wife tells me the rats done invaded our back yard and I thought it was funny and she shows me a photo of a rat on the window sill in the living room. Said they been all over the patio, including up on the rafter beams... Seems a little excessing and we sure don't want them in the attic. Glance out at the birdfeeder and there is a rat sitting on it eating the bird seed. Up north we'da called em pack rats, not sure what should be calling them down here. Wood rats? Cute little buggers but they be rats. The bird seed had been going down pretty quickly so I thought squirrels and had taken out ol Daisy. But these lil brown & gray balls of lightening won't have none of that. Can't get the slider open and have them sitting still, usually just a brown/gray blur headed for cover. Broke out the DeCon and put it out in a hidden area cause don't want the birds eating it. Turns out the rats didn't want it either so we put some sunflower seeds in there. Also broke out 2 small HaH traps - had a lot of trouble in the past getting them with rat traps (full size rat trap reaches over the smaller ones and the small mouse traps don't quite kill em) so had gotten squirrel size HaH type traps and those work. Put these two metal cages in the area under the bird feeder and we watch. The whole process took about 1/2 hr. The rats had to check out the new lawn ornaments - sniffing, scurrying away, climbing, one was even hanging by its back feet off the metal flap down door... Just a few minutes later one goes into the small trap. Back out, then back in and Flop go the doors! Yay! Grabbed pellet rifle and finished it off, dumped it out back. (the raccoons clean them up quickly around here) Then this monster rat shows up and is having a conniption trying to scent the larger trap. Looked like it was having a seizure sniffing. There it is, gone, back, gone, back, gone, back, inside, door falls! Yay! Finished him off, put him with his buddy out back. We watched both of those get caught and had a good cheer. Reset the traps and figured we'd have more this morning. Nothing. Someone did get into the DeCon and sunflower seeds, ate a bit or the poison - that's good. Thing about poison and traps is they sit there until they work. Just don't want to catch any of my birds in the trap or have them eating the rat poison. That's my story for the day. What's the best way to put the smackdown on these things? Saw something somewhere about using corn meal and baking soda? Any suggestions? I have tried a bucket w water and a spinning bar across the top with no success. They also seem to be shy of peanut butter. I could probably make up some sunflower butter... At the risk of sounding like Cyclist/Pete Decon is the absolute worst thing you can do.
It is the gift that keeps on killing.... it will kill the rats... but it will also kill owls, hawks, crows, foxes, raccoons, YOUR dog, cats, snakes etc.....
And yet it will not stop the rats from coming.... when you poison the rats you have, more will come... until you get rid of whatever is attracting the rats..
Until you get rid of the bird feeder.... The rats will not stop coming..... Bird Feeders are terrible for birds as well... it makes birds reliant on humans for food..
You want to see birds? Go out in the woods and enjoy them... Or place plants in your yard that naturally attract them.....
The bottom line is.... As long as the bird feeder is there.... you are going to have rat issues..... And if you choose to poison them you are going to kill more birds, and native animals than you will rats.....
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Post by richm on Jun 10, 2024 20:23:14 GMT -5
I live in the city. I got rats and birds and sqirrels and raccoons. If the trash pandas die i’m okay with it. We have plenty.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jun 10, 2024 21:16:05 GMT -5
I live in the city. I got rats and birds and sqirrels and raccoons. If the trash pandas die i’m okay with it. We have plenty. But what you do not see it the Barred Owls, Great Horned Owls, Red Shouldered Hawks etc that you kill with without seeing them..... There are ways of getting rid of the rats.... Without the Decon.....;
Starting with getting rid of the Bird( they are really rad feeders... No matter how much you want to kid yourself) feeders....
If you are willing to get rid of the bird feeders.... I am MORE than willing to drive to your house and personally advise you on specifics to your home and yard as to how to get rid of rats..... Free of charge...
As long as you keep the bird feeders... you are going to have rats..... it does not matter how much decon you put out... or how many traps.... If you build it they will come....
I am willing to show you how to win the battle....
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Post by johngalt on Jun 10, 2024 21:32:51 GMT -5
Literally! Wife tells me the rats done invaded our back yard and I thought it was funny and she shows me a photo of a rat on the window sill in the living room. Said they been all over the patio, including up on the rafter beams... Seems a little excessing and we sure don't want them in the attic. Glance out at the birdfeeder and there is a rat sitting on it eating the bird seed. Up north we'da called em pack rats, not sure what should be calling them down here. Wood rats? Cute little buggers but they be rats. The bird seed had been going down pretty quickly so I thought squirrels and had taken out ol Daisy. But these lil brown & gray balls of lightening won't have none of that. Can't get the slider open and have them sitting still, usually just a brown/gray blur headed for cover. Broke out the DeCon and put it out in a hidden area cause don't want the birds eating it. Turns out the rats didn't want it either so we put some sunflower seeds in there. Also broke out 2 small HaH traps - had a lot of trouble in the past getting them with rat traps (full size rat trap reaches over the smaller ones and the small mouse traps don't quite kill em) so had gotten squirrel size HaH type traps and those work. Put these two metal cages in the area under the bird feeder and we watch. The whole process took about 1/2 hr. The rats had to check out the new lawn ornaments - sniffing, scurrying away, climbing, one was even hanging by its back feet off the metal flap down door... Just a few minutes later one goes into the small trap. Back out, then back in and Flop go the doors! Yay! Grabbed pellet rifle and finished it off, dumped it out back. (the raccoons clean them up quickly around here) Then this monster rat shows up and is having a conniption trying to scent the larger trap. Looked like it was having a seizure sniffing. There it is, gone, back, gone, back, gone, back, inside, door falls! Yay! Finished him off, put him with his buddy out back. We watched both of those get caught and had a good cheer. Reset the traps and figured we'd have more this morning. Nothing. Someone did get into the DeCon and sunflower seeds, ate a bit or the poison - that's good. Thing about poison and traps is they sit there until they work. Just don't want to catch any of my birds in the trap or have them eating the rat poison. That's my story for the day. What's the best way to put the smackdown on these things? Saw something somewhere about using corn meal and baking soda? Any suggestions? I have tried a bucket w water and a spinning bar across the top with no success. They also seem to be shy of peanut butter. I could probably make up some sunflower butter... At the risk of sounding like Cyclist/Pete Decon is the absolute worst thing you can do.
It is the gift that keeps on killing.... it will kill the rats... but it will also kill owls, hawks, crows, foxes, raccoons, YOUR dog, cats, snakes etc.....
And yet it will not stop the rats from coming.... when you poison the rats you have, more will come... until you get rid of whatever is attracting the rats..
Until you get rid of the bird feeder.... The rats will not stop coming..... Bird Feeders are terrible for birds as well... it makes birds reliant on humans for food..
You want to see birds? Go out in the woods and enjoy them... Or place plants in your yard that naturally attract them.....
The bottom line is.... As long as the bird feeder is there.... you are going to have rat issues..... And if you choose to poison them you are going to kill more birds, and native animals than you will rats.....
^^This^^ Also if you have dogs store the dog food in sealed containers and once your dog(s) finish eating clean its food bowl. You’re giving the rats a reason to hang around. Several years ago I started seeing rats around my place, started seeing a couple of very large black snakes and even a couple of chicken snakes. Never seen the rats again.
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