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Post by misterjr on May 30, 2024 16:59:50 GMT -5
I'm not. I'm sad. I'm sad that this is where we are. That half the country (well 2/5 maybe) think is Gods anointed and above reproach or wrong doing, despite the overwhelming evidence. I'm sad that out of 330M people the best we could come up with is two senile geriatrics one of which is a self serving meglomaniac. I don't disagree.
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Post by cyclist on May 30, 2024 17:02:36 GMT -5
Just guaranteed his election. 👍 No...just guaranteed a bunch of magaa idiots doubling down on a flawed demented crook.
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Post by dragonbait on May 30, 2024 17:07:39 GMT -5
Can felons vote in Florida
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Post by tonyroma on May 30, 2024 17:10:46 GMT -5
Guess I’m gonna have to reevaluate who I’m gonna vote for, law and order and all. I was hoping this wouldn’t be the case that got off first. With essentially 2 incumbent presidents running I think this case has very little effect on 2024. You think Trump could get up into the top bunk???
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Post by PolarsStepdad on May 30, 2024 17:12:36 GMT -5
Guess I’m gonna have to reevaluate who I’m gonna vote for, law and order and all. I was hoping this wouldn’t be the case that got off first. With essentially 2 incumbent presidents running I think this case has very little effect on 2024. You think Trump could get up into the top bunk??? 🤣🤣🤣 ...asshole 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by olmucky on May 30, 2024 17:23:52 GMT -5
Say hello to the next president of the United States ….again
DJT
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Post by osprey11 on May 30, 2024 17:27:38 GMT -5
Clearly then surely you know BOTH crimes that raised this from a misdemeanor to a felony. The jury does. I am wondering if that part of the jury decision will be released. I was watching the ABC live reporting and some legal "expert" of theirs said it was campaign violations. But I think he was guessing. No they dont. Illegal instruction by the judge. No part has to be released. The jurors can either talk or not. Completely their discretion
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Post by tonyroma on May 30, 2024 17:28:09 GMT -5
Say hello to the next president of the United States ….again DJT You left out convicted felon DJT.
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Post by cadman on May 30, 2024 17:32:56 GMT -5
The jury does. I am wondering if that part of the jury decision will be released. I was watching the ABC live reporting and some legal "expert" of theirs said it was campaign violations. But I think he was guessing. No they dont. Illegal instruction by the judge. No part has to be released. The jurors can either talk or not. Completely their discretion Yes, the jury does. The jury had to agree there was a secondary crime. they did not all have to agree on what that crime was. Some could think it was campaign finance, others could say tax evasion. I think it would have to be on the jury decision form to meet the requirement of the guilty verdict. I do not know if that form is public record or not.
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Post by Mango Man on May 30, 2024 17:40:45 GMT -5
Just guaranteed his election. 👍 No...just guaranteed a bunch of magaa idiots doubling down on a flawed demented crook. Biden? Crook back better?? I'm not a Trump fan but Biden is a disaster...if he doesn't die before the end of his second term.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 30, 2024 17:43:52 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on May 30, 2024 18:02:43 GMT -5
. Everyone in the area (NY) was against him, the judge was a pos, and our country is in ruins. Those things are all true. Should have left those women alone. Shouldn't have paid them, and let the chips fall where they may. His only problem is the other court cases he's going to lose. Those things are also true. The chickens are coming home to roost for cheating on his wife. But carousing with whores is also something many brag about on here. The difference is, no one here is running for president with much of the D.C. establishment against him. I believe the system here has been politically weaponized and a travesty of justice was likely done. That offends me no matter who the victim of it is. But Trump isn’t the person I’m ready to go fight Round 2 for. He’s no George Washington. Its a weird thing when someone gets unjustly screwed over for politics, but at the same time the instrument of the injustice were morally bad acts he shouldn’t have been doing regardless. It goes back to my theory that life is WWII on the Eastern Front. The Nazis and the Soviets are the moral equivalents of each other. One will win. One will lose. The good people caught in the middle will lose either way. The Left won, so they’ll be emboldened to do this again to further political enemies. Had Trump won, he would have been emboldened with the idea that his political charisma makes him invulnerable. There was no way the bad guys wouldn’t win no matter the verdict.
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Post by bullfrog on May 30, 2024 18:04:48 GMT -5
The jury does. I am wondering if that part of the jury decision will be released. I was watching the ABC live reporting and some legal "expert" of theirs said it was campaign violations. But I think he was guessing. No they dont. Illegal instruction by the judge. No part has to be released. The jurors can either talk or not. Completely their discretion I do think an instruction was illegal and will be reversible error. But that’s irrelevant. The point isn’t to keep him convicted. The goal is to turn off just enough voters that otherwise would have voted against Biden. The reversals of the convictions won’t happen for a couple of years.
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Post by bullfrog on May 30, 2024 18:05:58 GMT -5
No they dont. Illegal instruction by the judge. No part has to be released. The jurors can either talk or not. Completely their discretion Yes, the jury does. The jury had to agree there was a secondary crime. they did not all have to agree on what that crime was. Some could think it was campaign finance, others could say tax evasion. I think it would have to be on the jury decision form to meet the requirement of the guilty verdict. I do not know if that form is public record or not. That’s why its going to be overturned. There’s no world in which that isn’t a Due Process violation (for the jury to not agree unanimously what the crime was).
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Post by cadman on May 30, 2024 18:06:42 GMT -5
No they dont. Illegal instruction by the judge. No part has to be released. The jurors can either talk or not. Completely their discretion I do think an instruction was illegal and will be reversible error. But that’s irrelevant. The point isn’t to keep him convicted. The goal is to turn off just enough voters that otherwise would have voted against Biden. The reversals of the convictions won’t happen for a couple of years. what was illegal about the instructions?
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