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Post by Captj on May 8, 2024 15:16:53 GMT -5
Reality is Trump's wall was all talk. It wasn't going to stop anyone. Throwing money at the problem will just prolong it. What we really need are bipartisan legislators with the balls to come up with an effective plan. For one I would threaten the cartels with a full stop on border crossings of any type and I'll bet the flow of illegals (which they profit from) would come to a screeching halt. Further, seems that we have no problem placing our military all over the world, but can't figure out how to use them to help seal the borders. Problems are complex, solutions are many and sometimes very simple.
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Post by Zif on May 8, 2024 15:22:27 GMT -5
Further, seems that we have no problem placing our military all over the world, but can't figure out how to use them to help seal the borders. Bingo |
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Post by walkerdog on May 8, 2024 21:58:51 GMT -5
The illegal immigration problem is worse now than it was prevuliously. Getting rid of the RIM policy was a boneheaded move born out of politics rather than pragmatic policy.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 8, 2024 23:24:36 GMT -5
Pragmatic policy would of been funding the border patrol like the deal, and their union supported to address the problem.
Who can even remember what guy killed that deal, and what the politics of it are?
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Post by restlessnative on May 8, 2024 23:56:12 GMT -5
Pragmatic policy would of been funding the border patrol like the deal, and their union supported to address the problem. Who can even remember what guy killed that deal, and what the politics of it are? No, pragmatic would be more along the lines of what Captj said. i can’t remember though, what guy? |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2024 3:23:40 GMT -5
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Post by throttle on May 9, 2024 8:36:18 GMT -5
Reality is Trump's wall was all talk. It wasn't going to stop anyone. Throwing money at the problem will just prolong it. What we really need are bipartisan legislators with the balls to come up with an effective plan. For one I would threaten the cartels with a full stop on border crossings of any type and I'll bet the flow of illegals (which they profit from) would come to a screeching halt. Further, seems that we have no problem placing our military all over the world, but can't figure out how to use them to help seal the borders. Problems are complex, solutions are many and sometimes very simple. You're partly right; while walls do work, they have to built first and Trump's wall wasn't completed. What Trump did that did work is he threatened the Mexican government with tariffs and the Mexicans capitulated, stationing 10s of thousands of Mexican troops on their borders to stop the influx of illegals and to prevent illegal crossings. They also agreed to the "Remain in Mexico" protocol, so that "asylum seekers" were no longer rewarded with remaining in the US while awaiting hearings. The democrat media doesn't speak of these things anymore, and democrats with the memory of a goldfish have already forgotten about them, but Trump's border enforcement worked. And Biden reversed these policies and day one with dire and obvious consequences. www.npr.org/2019/07/13/740009105/how-mexico-beefs-up-immigration-enforcement-to-meet-trumps-terms |
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Post by throttle on May 9, 2024 8:38:00 GMT -5
Pragmatic policy would of been funding the border patrol like the deal, and their union supported to address the problem. Who can even remember what guy killed that deal, and what the politics of it are? Giving more more money to Biden for "border enforcement"... You're killing me Smalls. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2024 8:46:15 GMT -5
REALITY WAS:
Like him or hate him Trump had the border situation much more under control with THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS.
That is an undisputed fact.
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Post by meateater on May 9, 2024 10:38:48 GMT -5
americans are suckers, you were forced to wear masks, 70% of the masks did nothing, cloth masks . forced to get a experimental trump record speed injection, but the government lets millions of migrants into the country with no testing no vaccine, nothing. dipshit suckers all of us.
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Post by meateater on May 9, 2024 10:44:35 GMT -5
bidens not at fault for the border crisis and trumps a good christian. to believe either one makes you a retard.
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Post by walkerdog on May 9, 2024 12:48:12 GMT -5
Pragmatic policy would of been funding the border patrol like the deal, and their union supported to address the problem. Who can even remember what guy killed that deal, and what the politics of it are? Not surprised that you want to change the subject. Not biting though. Bonehead Biden lived up to his reputation of making idiotic choices for political motivations. As it was his choice alone, you can’t blame that on anyone but him. |
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Post by richm on May 9, 2024 13:08:12 GMT -5
Where did he say there were no issues in the last 30 years? Who is talking about the "last 30 years"?!?!? Why didnt you pick 10 years? 5 years? 2 years IDK? What is is about commie pukes that they constantly LIE about what was said? The fact is the border was more secure under Trump and Biden opened it up especially by cancelling the Remain in Mexico policy so we have had MORE border encounters in the last 3 years than any time in history. To answer your first question: He said, "We had no issues and suddenly there is a fukking travel route for all undesirables[.]"
For the rest of your questions: I picked 30 years arbitrarily because the facts of the matter is there have been issues for quite some time -- before Biden and even before Trump.
To suggest otherwise, as he did, is painting a longstanding issue as some sort of recent development -- which it is not.
I hope this helps clear things up for you.
It is a recent thing. There were no fukking caravan routes before Trump. That's when the big mad rush started. Biden threw the doors wide open and claims nothing to see here. 10 million people in less than 4 years. Do the math. |
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Post by Tarponator on May 9, 2024 15:30:58 GMT -5
None of that math or your caravans changes the fact that people have been illegally immigrating to this country for decades.
Illegal immigration is not a recent thing. To suggest this is only a recent issue is a lie.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 9, 2024 15:36:18 GMT -5
None of that math or your caravans changes the fact that people have been illegally immigrating to this country for decades. Illegal immigration is not a recent thing. To suggest this is only a recent issue is a lie. How did Trump compare to the guy from Kenya on the issue?  |
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Post by Tarponator on May 9, 2024 15:41:44 GMT -5
For even more fun, look at the numbers under the junior Bush.
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Post by Zif on May 9, 2024 16:28:41 GMT -5
The valid point has been made that all recent administrations, R and D alike have dropped the ball with the illegal immigration problem. But the average U.S. citizen is fed up with it. At least Trump was the first pres. to at least pay lip service to the issue, hence the ground swell of his support in '16. I really don't care who gets credit for it, it just needs fixing. Seems like everyone on here just inevitably devolves the argument to the blame game. It's childish to say the least.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 9, 2024 16:36:45 GMT -5
The valid point has been made that all recent administrations, R and D alike have dropped the ball with the illegal immigration problem. But the average U.S. citizen is fed up with it. At least Trump was the first pres. to at least pay lip service to the issue, hence the ground swell of his support in '16. I really don't care who gets credit for it, it just needs fixing. Seems like everyone on here just inevitably devolves the argument to the blame game. It's childish to say the least. There was a deal on the table to address the problem and Trump killed it for political reasons. Was the deal perfect, no. But there was more give and take than ever before. |
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Post by conchydong on May 9, 2024 16:43:24 GMT -5
The valid point has been made that all recent administrations, R and D alike have dropped the ball with the illegal immigration problem. But the average U.S. citizen is fed up with it. At least Trump was the first pres. to at least pay lip service to the issue, hence the ground swell of his support in '16. I really don't care who gets credit for it, it just needs fixing. Seems like everyone on here just inevitably devolves the argument to the blame game. It's childish to say the least. There was a deal on the table to address the problem and Trump killed it for political reasons. Was the deal perfect, no. But there was more give and take than ever before. The deal was to hire more border agents to process the illegals and let them into the country faster as the current border patrol agents are overwhelmed. That doesn’t solve the problem. I was for the bill until I looked further into it. |
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Post by biminitwisted on May 9, 2024 16:51:15 GMT -5
There was a deal on the table to address the problem and Trump killed it for political reasons. Was the deal perfect, no. But there was more give and take than ever before. The deal was to hire more border agents to process the illegals and let them into the country faster as the current border patrol agents are overwhelmed. That doesn’t solve the problem. I was for the bill until I looked further into it. It was one of the best political compromises on the issue in history, and one guy killed it for the admitted reason of not giving Biden a win. Would you like to see what the Republican Senator who worked on it said? |
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Post by biminitwisted on May 9, 2024 17:00:22 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on May 9, 2024 17:29:10 GMT -5
Nehls: “Everything we do in the House should be in the best interests of getting Trump get re-elected “
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Post by johngalt on May 9, 2024 22:14:10 GMT -5
Tell us why you think a open border and flooding the country with illegals is beneficial to our country and economy? Although there are undoubtedly some benefits with millions of additional consumers and taxpayers....there are plenty of problems too.
However there is no open border, and this country has been "flooded with" immigrants (illegal or otherwise) for its entire history.
What this country really needs is pragmatic immigration policy reform rather than using this issue as a pawn in a larger political game (as evidenced by the partisan arguments and language in this thread) with no effective solutions even on the table. First of all I agree there should be a workers program like there was in the 1949’s and 50’s. I think it was called the Vaquero program? Let Mexicans come in and work as long as they can pass a background check and be given a proper ID card so they can freely cross the border and work, plus it will help stop their exploitation. But the issue today is a flood of illegals from around the world and we do not have a clue who they are. And no, there has never been a flood of immigrants like this. Most are illiterate, speak no English and have little or no job skills. They will be a bigger drain on the country than what they could ever give back. Not to mention they will have zero loyalty to this country. No country on the planet allows this kind of insanity to happen. |
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Post by johngalt on May 9, 2024 22:19:24 GMT -5
The valid point has been made that all recent administrations, R and D alike have dropped the ball with the illegal immigration problem. But the average U.S. citizen is fed up with it. At least Trump was the first pres. to at least pay lip service to the issue, hence the ground swell of his support in '16. I really don't care who gets credit for it, it just needs fixing. Seems like everyone on here just inevitably devolves the argument to the blame game. It's childish to say the least. There was a deal on the table to address the problem and Trump killed it for political reasons. Was the deal perfect, no. But there was more give and take than ever before. Bullshit. It wasn’t even a bandaid on a sucking chest wound. It was nothing but kicking the can down the road. Everyone knows what the solution is, but to many corrupt politicians, NGO’s and cartels are making money on it. Not to mention the plan to FUNDEMENTALY change the country is well underway. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2024 23:18:20 GMT -5
There was a deal on the table to address the problem and Trump killed it for political reasons. Was the deal perfect, no. But there was more give and take than ever before. Bullshit. It wasn’t even a bandaid on a sucking chest wound. It was nothing but kicking the can down the road. Everyone knows what the solution is, but to many corrupt politicians, NGO’s and cartels are making money on it. Not to mention the plan to FUNDEMENTALY change the country is well underway. AMEN! 👍👍👍👍👍 |
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Post by biminitwisted on May 9, 2024 23:27:10 GMT -5
Oh, we’re back to the Great Replacement Theory.
Where have we heard that before?
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Post by biminitwisted on May 9, 2024 23:30:11 GMT -5
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Post by Tarponator on May 10, 2024 0:41:32 GMT -5
Although there are undoubtedly some benefits with millions of additional consumers and taxpayers....there are plenty of problems too.
However there is no open border, and this country has been "flooded with" immigrants (illegal or otherwise) for its entire history.
What this country really needs is pragmatic immigration policy reform rather than using this issue as a pawn in a larger political game (as evidenced by the partisan arguments and language in this thread) with no effective solutions even on the table. First of all I agree there should be a workers program like there was in the 1949’s and 50’s. I think it was called the Vaquero program? Let Mexicans come in and work as long as they can pass a background check and be given a proper ID card so they can freely cross the border and work, plus it will help stop their exploitation. But the issue today is a flood of illegals from around the world and we do not have a clue who they are. And no, there has never been a flood of immigrants like this. Most are illiterate, speak no English and have little or no job skills. They will be a bigger drain on the country than what they could ever give back. Not to mention they will have zero loyalty to this country. No country on the planet allows this kind of insanity to happen. If only you had stopped after your first two paragraphs, for the rest just silly and/or wrong. |
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Post by pinman on May 10, 2024 9:37:09 GMT -5
None of that math or your caravans changes the fact that people have been illegally immigrating to this country for decades. Illegal immigration is not a recent thing. To suggest this is only a recent issue is a lie. How did Trump compare to the guy from Kenya on the issue? Obama started bringing them down towards the end of his term and Trump started bringing them up. Thanks for pointing that out. |
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Post by pinman on May 10, 2024 9:44:46 GMT -5
And why arent the numbers for Joe Biden included in that graph? Of course they cant be "removed" if they dont even make it into the country which is what Trump did.
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