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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 5, 2024 8:21:00 GMT -5
I have noticed that banks seem to never have the “no firearms allowed” signs on their doors. They must have realized that it is a good thing to have licensed legal concealed carry persons within their businesses.
When concealed carry was first granted in Illinois there was a rush and a push underway to convince business owners to post the no firearms signs on their doors. A few local restaurants were convinced, by myself actually, to remove the signs and that legal carry persons make their business a safer place to be in. This sign removal trend has spread and now there are very few such signs on any businesses in the area.
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Post by garycoleco on May 5, 2024 9:21:52 GMT -5
State laws on signs vary. In Georgia they mean nothing.
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Post by ferris1248 on May 5, 2024 11:16:42 GMT -5
State laws on signs vary. In Georgia they mean nothing. They offer the owner a degree of liability protection.
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Post by cadman on May 5, 2024 11:52:09 GMT -5
Some states require the signs if the business does not want weapons on the premise. It allows them to ask people to leave if they know they have a weapon and then you are trespassing if you refuse.
Plus, as Ferris said, liability reasons for some.
As for banks, my bank knew I carried and was fine with it. The Campus Credit Union in town has a security entrance with two doors and a metal detector. The inner door does not open until you clear the metal detector.
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Post by stc1993 on May 5, 2024 14:38:01 GMT -5
I saw yesterday the state DOJ wrote Savannah about a gun law they enacted. Told them state law Trump's local law. So another lawsuit in the works. Savannah said they would take it to supreme court.
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Post by nikonoclast on May 5, 2024 16:12:57 GMT -5
Our local market has sign, but it's a real softball.
"No Open Carry" of weapons
That's reasonable ... and sensible.
The City, and KC, want to make changes, but the legislature won't budge.
It might be more accurate to say that the legislature can't budge.
A small group of Republicans now call themselves a "Freedom Caucus".
They're screwing up the works as noisy pests and publicity hounds.
( of course, several are running for higher office )
The only blessing: it's already impossible to make the state firearm laws any looser.
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Post by TRTerror on May 5, 2024 17:08:00 GMT -5
I worked for Scripps Howard for about 5 years at one of the offices , everything building in the Naples area. Facility Manager. When I first starting work there was when all that Firearms signs for business really took off. I had to letter both entry doors with in bold letters...No Firearms Allowed. Hurt me to do it mentally but it's a big Yankee company so I did. About 6 months later everybody was use to it and just walked on by. I scraped the NO off the sign and didn't tell my Boss till she retired... Then I took her outside and showed her...she took it well.
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Post by richm on May 6, 2024 8:18:14 GMT -5
It is a liability thing. My company does not allow guns. Helps if an employee shoots someone - they were acting on their own and not on behalf of company…
Some folks make it more than it really is.
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Post by nikonoclast on May 6, 2024 9:08:10 GMT -5
It is a liability thing. My company does not allow guns. Helps if an employee shoots someone - they were acting on their own and not on behalf of company… Some folks make it more than it really is. Those "situations" can gum up the works. Bad for business big time. I was in an office building that was evacuated when an irate boyfriend showed up waving a gun. He never got past the receptionist ... who saw him coming and split behind a locked door. After one seemingly random shot, it took cops over an hour to get him to surrender. ( Too many witnesses for the usual "quick fix". )
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 6, 2024 9:24:53 GMT -5
If people were under the impression that possibly half of the general population would be armed much of the violence would not occur in the first place.
It comes to mind the mall shooter that was slain by a citizen who emptied his 9mm into him A true hero! He advanced towards the shooter as he was firing. Oddly the mall had a “no firearms” policy.
I know that there are some crazies that nothing would stop their intentions and actions BUT an armed population is definitely some deterrent.
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Post by richm on May 6, 2024 9:27:12 GMT -5
I’m all for concealed carry but i dont trust the other guy to be safe if there is ever an incident.
Tunnel vision can miss people in the background and buck fever can help send bullets their way. Even cops do this often. Veterans who’ve seen combat are probably immune to the quirks of shooting folks.
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Post by ferris1248 on May 6, 2024 11:27:01 GMT -5
If people were under the impression that possibly half of the general population would be armed much of the violence would not occur in the first place. It comes to mind the mall shooter that was slain by a citizen who emptied his 9mm into him A true hero! He advanced towards the shooter as he was firing. Oddly the mall had a “no firearms” policy. I know that there are some crazies that nothing would stop their intentions and actions BUT an armed population is definitely some deterrent. No comment
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Post by gogittum on May 9, 2024 12:20:29 GMT -5
I can never remember for sure just which places are against the law to carry, even with a permit, so I leave the gun in the car when going into the bank...JIC.
I have lunch at the senior center every noon, with an average of about 20 - 30 in a large room each day. My CCW peeked out of my waistband one day and I was informed that it was a "no guns" zone and to leave it home. I don't fuss with them and leave it in the car while eating.
Seems to me, tho', that it'd be a perfect place for a mass shooter to cut loose and no one to stop him.
It do bother me, but I don't buck city hall. I'd be much happier with a chance to protect myself.
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Post by swampdog on May 9, 2024 12:30:06 GMT -5
Recently visited a family member in the hospital in another city. Sign on the door said “No Weapons”. I paused and continued inside. There was no detection device anywhere and most folks were just busy and not noticing anyone complaining ng or going. I thought OK we’re good, and spent most all day in the building going up different floors, the cafeteria, and a couple of different waiting rooms. The hospital where I live has you empty your pockets, walk through a scanner and then go into the facility.
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Post by ferris1248 on May 9, 2024 12:52:27 GMT -5
I'm opposed to this. If I do not want a person on my property wearing a gun, especially my home, I should be able to control that. If the gun bearer doesn't like that, put the gun in a safe place or don't come on my property.
"A bill introduced in the Georgia House could expand the presence of guns on private property. The bill would make property owners legally liable if a gun owner gets hurt on property where they aren't allowed to carry a gun." "Private property owners generally have a right to keep guns off their property." "Lenox Square is a mall in Buckhead that famously posts signs saying firearms aren’t allowed inside, but it's also commonplace at smaller public places like bars and restaurants." "State Rep. Martin Momtahan (R-Dallas) wants to give an incentive to those businesses to allow legal gun owners to carry on their property." "All we want to make sure is, if you’re in the store or anywhere and it has a 'no gun' sign, then that store needs to understand they have absolute custodial care of that person" who wants to carry a legal firearm but isn't allowed, Momtahan said." "That means the store becomes legally liable for the safety of the gun owner whose gun has been banished from the property." "His bill HB 1364 says, “Any lawful weapons carrier who is prohibited from carrying… and who is injured… shall have a cause of action against the person, business or other entity that owns or legally controls such property.” "Timothy Lytton of Georgia State University said establishments that banish firearms could face lawsuits from gun owners whose guns get banished." "Let's say I’m a bar owner," Lytton said in an interview. "Under the new law, if I prohibit them from bringing their firearms in and they’re attacked by another patron in the bar, then I’m absolutely liable for their injuries that result from that attack because I didn’t allow them to bring their weapon." "Lytton said the bill could include sporting and concert venues and even private homes that banish firearms." www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/gun-bill-georgia-house-private-property-gun-owners/85-d336e31a-fe8f-4495-aed3-95e76e91a827
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