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Post by mapper on Jun 7, 2024 6:30:47 GMT -5
Since this is a eco pissing match, the battery production does not sound that eco friendly. I'll admit ice production isn't as well, merely saying that the eco costs are in different areas, current and next Gen batteriesWhile I agree battery tech needs to be ongoing, so does alternative fuel research. You can't phase out ice without anything to replace it. Battery end of life will be an issue, as will new/rebuilt battery packs for aging ev's. As fast as tech changes between circuits, chips, batteries, it will be an issue. Batteries have been the bane of my existence as a surveyor.. Wet cell, agm, ni cad, nimh, alkaline, Carbon, lithium, etc.. Rechargeable batteries have a lifespan in charge/discharge cycles..nothing will change that. Every dog year it gets better though.. I would also like to see costs for say 1st Gen ev battery rebuild/recell costs if they are available at all.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 7, 2024 6:53:20 GMT -5
I love my battery powered tools but have a feeling that they will only last less than 10 years. I have a traditional electric drill, hand saw, and drill press that I inherited from my dad and I know the handdrill is at least 50 years old... it has only needed a new power cable. Maybe more of a statement about todays product quality but battery powered will only make things worse.
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Post by mapper on Jun 7, 2024 7:27:49 GMT -5
A lot of tool battery packs can be recelled. I had my survey battery packs rebuilt many times. Mostly nimh cells, I think I had packs rebuilt over 4-6 times each..I was using 4 packs..always had 1 on charge somewhere..either on site or in truck.
Like I said before..batteries were the bane of my existence
My current battery tools I have a battery each in them and 2-4 additional spares, 3 chargers.. In Sept tax free tool time I'll pick up more batteries..
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Post by luapnor on Jun 7, 2024 7:38:00 GMT -5
A lot of tool battery packs can be recelled. I had my survey battery packs rebuilt many times. Mostly nimh cells, I think I had packs rebuilt over 4-6 times each..I was using 4 packs..always had 1 on charge somewhere..either on site or in truck. Like I said before..batteries were the bane of my existence My current battery tools I have a battery each in them and 2-4 additional spares, 3 chargers.. In Sept tax free tool time I'll pick up more batteries.. Dont old nicad batteries have to be replaced with nicad? They cant be upgraded to newer batteries.
I have an aviation radio that had a nimh battery pack that just died... like $90 to replace. The radio came with a battery tray for 6 AA batteries. It was cheaper to get modern Lithium rechargable AAs and put in the tray than it was to buy a new battery pack. I can carry spares already charged. I think the rechargable batteries and charger were $30.
These battery powered tools also have electronics on them to manage the batteries and I just dont see the tools lasting very long as the electronics age. Nothing like replacing a cable and some brushes. But they are convenient.
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Post by gandy on Jun 7, 2024 7:51:48 GMT -5
Need to stop all the BS'n and get with efficiently splitting the H from H2O
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Post by luapnor on Jun 7, 2024 21:39:54 GMT -5
Most hydrogen is "gray", produced from natural gas. A ton of hydrogen through this process emits 6.6–9.3 tons of carbon dioxide. Not very clean if you are carbon-phobic. Again... shifting the pollution to someone elses yard.
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Post by pinman on Jun 7, 2024 22:37:06 GMT -5
Isn't that cute, Oopma Loompa thinks that Tesla is representative of the entire EV market. It's "Oompa Loompa"
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Post by gandy on Jun 8, 2024 6:37:21 GMT -5
Most hydrogen is "gray", produced from natural gas. A ton of hydrogen through this process emits 6.6–9.3 tons of carbon dioxide. Not very clean if you are carbon-phobic. Again... shifting the pollution to someone elses yard. Can hydrogen be used in a combustion engine? Yes. Hydrogen internal combustion engines (hydrogen ICE) work similarly to diesel engines. Hydrogen is burned in the same way a traditional internal combustion engine burns gasoline or diesel. Hydrogen engines have near zero emissions, and they don't emit soot or volatile organic compounds. "Need to stop all the BS'n and get with efficiently splitting the H from H2O" HYDROGEN ENGINES AND FUEL CELLS: SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES IN HOW THEY WORK? www.cummins.com/news/2022/01/27/hydrogen-internal-combustion-engines-and-hydrogen-fuel-cells
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Post by cyclist on Jun 8, 2024 6:55:59 GMT -5
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Post by luapnor on Jun 8, 2024 10:25:46 GMT -5
Isn't that cute, Oopma Loompa thinks that Tesla is representative of the entire EV market. It's "Oompa Loompa" Thank you... and tell Tarponeezer, that Tesla IS the EV market.
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Post by cyclist on Jun 8, 2024 11:41:54 GMT -5
Ford U.S. EV Sales Rocket 65% In May 2024 To Third-Best Month Ever All three models—the F-150 Lightning, Mustang Mach-E and E-Transit van—noted significantly better results than a year ago.
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Post by cadman on Jun 8, 2024 12:56:21 GMT -5
Thank you... and tell Tarponeezer, that Tesla IS the EV market. Tesla was around 80% or EV sales in 2019. They were 65% in 2022 , and 55% in 2023, and falling every year. Tesla is no longer the EV market. AI Overview: Tesla's share of the electric vehicle (EV) market in the United States has been declining in recent years due to increased competition from other automakers: 2019: Tesla had almost 80% of the market share 2022: Tesla had 62% of the market share Q1 2023: Tesla had 60% of the market share Q3 2023: Tesla's market share fell to an all-time low Q1 2024: Tesla's market share was 51.3%, down from 61.7% in Q1 2023 February 2024: Tesla's market share was around 56%
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Post by conchydong on Jun 8, 2024 15:40:10 GMT -5
Cad, Tesla was the innovator and of course they had the market cornered. Now they have competition from probably dozens of other manufacturers but they still hold the majority of sales. Wouldn’t you agree that they still control the market?
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Post by cadman on Jun 8, 2024 16:32:02 GMT -5
Cad, Tesla was the innovator and of course they had the market cornered. Now they have competition from probably dozens of other manufacturers but they still hold the majority of sales. Wouldn’t you agree that they still control the market? If they controlled the market, they would be lowering prices. apnews.com/article/tesla-lowers-prices-62999b502bddefc75aa1dbee47205d62
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Post by conchydong on Jun 8, 2024 16:37:31 GMT -5
They now have competition which is a good thing. That is the only reason they are lowering prices. They still are number one by a large margin.
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