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Post by Stumpy on Apr 12, 2024 19:19:13 GMT -5
So what is a transfer? Or a "sale"? If I buy a firearm for my son for Christmas and give it to him is that one? Or if my friend needs a shotgun for the duck season and I loan him one? The devil is in the details..... I'm not a lawyer, so to me until your son is old enough to possess a firearm legally on his own, you are the owner of the firearm. It's not illegal to transfer "gift" a firearm. Also not illegal to loan a firearm as long as the person is not a felon. You can't do a straw purchase of a firearm, buying and competing the background and purchace, when you know you will sell the firearm to someone else to avoid them completing the background or waiting peirod regiments.
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Post by pinman on Apr 12, 2024 19:27:00 GMT -5
So what is a transfer? Or a "sale"? If I buy a firearm for my son for Christmas and give it to him is that one? Or if my friend needs a shotgun for the duck season and I loan him one? The devil is in the details..... I'm not a lawyer, so to me until your son is old enough to possess a firearm legally on his own, you are the owner of the firearm. It's not illegal to transfer "gift" a firearm. Also not illegal to loan a firearm as long as the person is not a felon. You can't do a straw purchase of a firearm, buying and competing the background and purchace, when you know you will sell the firearm to someone else to avoid them completing the background or waiting peirod regiments. Kids are of age. A Washington State background check law proposed years ago regulated "transfers" but didnt specify.
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Post by throttle on Apr 12, 2024 19:53:15 GMT -5
No background check required when they just steal guns out of the nearest F-150. That's how democrats get theirs...
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Post by throttle on Apr 12, 2024 19:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by luapnor on Apr 12, 2024 21:07:29 GMT -5
So what is a transfer? Or a "sale"? If I buy a firearm for my son for Christmas and give it to him is that one? Or if my friend needs a shotgun for the duck season and I loan him one? The devil is in the details..... I'm not a lawyer, so to me until your son is old enough to possess a firearm legally on his own, you are the owner of the firearm. It's not illegal to transfer "gift" a firearm. Also not illegal to loan a firearm as long as the person is not a felon. You can't do a straw purchase of a firearm, buying and competing the background and purchace, when you know you will sell the firearm to someone else to avoid them completing the background or waiting peirod regiments. There is no "legal age to own" that I am aware of. Age laws are mostly regarding purchase. Why is it ok to require ID to exercise your second amendment right but racist if you are asked to provide id to vote?
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 12, 2024 21:12:38 GMT -5
Read it before you talk about what you think it is. The Department of Justice’s final rule implements the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act—the largest expansion of background checks since the Brady Bill became law. The final rule makes clear when a person needs to become a licensed dealer and run background checks, and gives the Department of Justice additional tools to crack down on individuals illegally selling guns without background checks. Specifically, the final rule: Lists the types of commercial activity indicating that a person must become a licensed dealer and run background checks, absent evidence showing they are in fact not engaged in the business of firearms dealing. For example, if a person is repetitively selling guns of the same or similar make and model within one year of their purchase, they are supposed to become a licensed dealer. If a person repetitively sells firearms within thirty days of purchasing those firearms, or selling firearms and tells potential buyers that they can acquire additional firearms for that buyer to purchase, the seller is supposed to become a licensed dealer. States that the gun show or online sale loopholes do not exist. If you are conducting business that in a brick-and-mortar store would require you to become a licensed dealer, you have to become a licensed dealer and run background checks. It does not matter whether you are dealing firearms at a gun show, online, in your home, in the trunk of a car, at a flea market, or anywhere else—you must obtain a license and run background checks results. Evidence that a person placed ads online or reserved a table at a gun show shows that the person is intending to profit from the sale. Prevents people from evading the licensing and background check requirements by claiming that they are just selling a few guns. The final rule clarifies that even a single firearm transaction may be sufficient to require a license, if there is other behavior to suggest commercial activity. For example, a person selling just one gun and then saying to others they are willing and able to purchase more firearms for resale may be required to obtain a license and run background checks. Prevents people from falsely claiming that guns are part of a personal collection in an attempt to evade the law. The statute explicitly states that making occasional sales of a firearm from a personal collection or liquidating collection does not require a federal firearms license or background checks. However, people have evaded the background check requirement by falsely claiming they are selling their personal collection. The final rule makes clear that a personal collection of firearms is limited to collections acquired for specific reasons like study; comparison; exhibition; or for a hobby, like hunting or sport shooting. A bona fide personal collection is not the same as business inventory. Closes the so-called firesale loophole. Gun dealers who have had their licenses revoked have sometimes then sold their former business inventory without running background checks. The final rule makes clear that a business inventory may not be transferred to a person’s personal collection after a license is revoked. Instead, a business could dispose of this inventory through another licensed seller who runs background checks. That’s what they claim the new rule does. Which is their spin. The White House ended their press release about the rule with: “Today, the Biden-Harris Administration is moving as close as possible to universal background checks without additional legislation. President Biden and Vice President Harris continue to call on Congress to enact universal background checks and finish the job.” “Universal background checks.” Means they want every gun transfer catalogued. They state openly this is a step towards that. I cannot yet find the actual rule online.
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Post by Stumpy on Apr 12, 2024 21:45:58 GMT -5
Read it before you talk about what you think it is. The Department of Justice’s final rule implements the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act—the largest expansion of background checks since the Brady Bill became law. The final rule makes clear when a person needs to become a licensed dealer and run background checks, and gives the Department of Justice additional tools to crack down on individuals illegally selling guns without background checks. Specifically, the final rule: Lists the types of commercial activity indicating that a person must become a licensed dealer and run background checks, absent evidence showing they are in fact not engaged in the business of firearms dealing. For example, if a person is repetitively selling guns of the same or similar make and model within one year of their purchase, they are supposed to become a licensed dealer. If a person repetitively sells firearms within thirty days of purchasing those firearms, or selling firearms and tells potential buyers that they can acquire additional firearms for that buyer to purchase, the seller is supposed to become a licensed dealer. States that the gun show or online sale loopholes do not exist. If you are conducting business that in a brick-and-mortar store would require you to become a licensed dealer, you have to become a licensed dealer and run background checks. It does not matter whether you are dealing firearms at a gun show, online, in your home, in the trunk of a car, at a flea market, or anywhere else—you must obtain a license and run background checks results. Evidence that a person placed ads online or reserved a table at a gun show shows that the person is intending to profit from the sale. Prevents people from evading the licensing and background check requirements by claiming that they are just selling a few guns. The final rule clarifies that even a single firearm transaction may be sufficient to require a license, if there is other behavior to suggest commercial activity. For example, a person selling just one gun and then saying to others they are willing and able to purchase more firearms for resale may be required to obtain a license and run background checks. Prevents people from falsely claiming that guns are part of a personal collection in an attempt to evade the law. The statute explicitly states that making occasional sales of a firearm from a personal collection or liquidating collection does not require a federal firearms license or background checks. However, people have evaded the background check requirement by falsely claiming they are selling their personal collection. The final rule makes clear that a personal collection of firearms is limited to collections acquired for specific reasons like study; comparison; exhibition; or for a hobby, like hunting or sport shooting. A bona fide personal collection is not the same as business inventory. Closes the so-called firesale loophole. Gun dealers who have had their licenses revoked have sometimes then sold their former business inventory without running background checks. The final rule makes clear that a business inventory may not be transferred to a person’s personal collection after a license is revoked. Instead, a business could dispose of this inventory through another licensed seller who runs background checks. That’s what they claim the new rule does. Which is their spin. The White House ended their press release about the rule with: “Today, the Biden-Harris Administration is moving as close as possible to universal background checks without additional legislation. President Biden and Vice President Harris continue to call on Congress to enact universal background checks and finish the job.” “Universal background checks.” Means they want every gun transfer catalogued. They state openly this is a step towards that. I cannot yet find the actual rule online. www.atf.gov/firearms/final-rule-definition-engaged-business-dealer-firearmsYou can't read the final rule until after it's recorded in the Federal Register. See Q and A at of atf web page.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 12, 2024 21:45:59 GMT -5
What have they done? Please do tell us more! Exactly. Just a problem. You're just useless and taking up space that the good people should have There's no need to be jealous. What have the public offiicals done to trigger you?
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 12, 2024 21:48:04 GMT -5
Read it before you talk about what you think it is. The Department of Justice’s final rule implements the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act—the largest expansion of background checks since the Brady Bill became law. The final rule makes clear when a person needs to become a licensed dealer and run background checks, and gives the Department of Justice additional tools to crack down on individuals illegally selling guns without background checks. Specifically, the final rule: Lists the types of commercial activity indicating that a person must become a licensed dealer and run background checks, absent evidence showing they are in fact not engaged in the business of firearms dealing. For example, if a person is repetitively selling guns of the same or similar make and model within one year of their purchase, they are supposed to become a licensed dealer. If a person repetitively sells firearms within thirty days of purchasing those firearms, or selling firearms and tells potential buyers that they can acquire additional firearms for that buyer to purchase, the seller is supposed to become a licensed dealer. States that the gun show or online sale loopholes do not exist. If you are conducting business that in a brick-and-mortar store would require you to become a licensed dealer, you have to become a licensed dealer and run background checks. It does not matter whether you are dealing firearms at a gun show, online, in your home, in the trunk of a car, at a flea market, or anywhere else—you must obtain a license and run background checks results. Evidence that a person placed ads online or reserved a table at a gun show shows that the person is intending to profit from the sale. Prevents people from evading the licensing and background check requirements by claiming that they are just selling a few guns. The final rule clarifies that even a single firearm transaction may be sufficient to require a license, if there is other behavior to suggest commercial activity. For example, a person selling just one gun and then saying to others they are willing and able to purchase more firearms for resale may be required to obtain a license and run background checks. Prevents people from falsely claiming that guns are part of a personal collection in an attempt to evade the law. The statute explicitly states that making occasional sales of a firearm from a personal collection or liquidating collection does not require a federal firearms license or background checks. However, people have evaded the background check requirement by falsely claiming they are selling their personal collection. The final rule makes clear that a personal collection of firearms is limited to collections acquired for specific reasons like study; comparison; exhibition; or for a hobby, like hunting or sport shooting. A bona fide personal collection is not the same as business inventory. Closes the so-called firesale loophole. Gun dealers who have had their licenses revoked have sometimes then sold their former business inventory without running background checks. The final rule makes clear that a business inventory may not be transferred to a person’s personal collection after a license is revoked. Instead, a business could dispose of this inventory through another licensed seller who runs background checks. That’s what they claim the new rule does. Which is their spin. The White House ended their press release about the rule with: “Today, the Biden-Harris Administration is moving as close as possible to universal background checks without additional legislation. President Biden and Vice President Harris continue to call on Congress to enact universal background checks and finish the job.” “Universal background checks.” Means they want every gun transfer catalogued. They state openly this is a step towards that. I cannot yet find the actual rule online. How do you go from universal background checks to every gun transfer catalogued? Paranoia and supposition don't count. And who are "they"?
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Post by tonyroma on Apr 12, 2024 21:58:06 GMT -5
No background check required when they just steal guns out of the nearest F-150. Negroes will steal guns from your house, well maybe not your house, but any house, and Walmart. I forgot to ask you about the vote in Arizona. WTF, it’s not even kinda funny anymore.
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Post by Stumpy on Apr 12, 2024 22:07:40 GMT -5
I'm not a lawyer, so to me until your son is old enough to possess a firearm legally on his own, you are the owner of the firearm. It's not illegal to transfer "gift" a firearm. Also not illegal to loan a firearm as long as the person is not a felon. You can't do a straw purchase of a firearm, buying and competing the background and purchace, when you know you will sell the firearm to someone else to avoid them completing the background or waiting peirod regiments. There is no "legal age to own" that I am aware of. Age laws are mostly regarding purchase. Why is it ok to require ID to exercise your second amendment right but racist if you are asked to provide id to vote? I was thinking hunting in FL ...under the age of 16 you need to be under the direct supervion of an adult.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 12, 2024 22:16:20 GMT -5
We need about 20 straight years of conservative government. Back off on the regulatory agenda and get extremely hard on putting criminals in jail for a long time.
Quit giving money to illegal aliens and use it to build more prisons to house the criminals in.
More job opportunities for Americans. Construction building the prisons and guards at the prison when they are completed.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 12, 2024 22:17:37 GMT -5
Now once the criminals learn that they will be punished severely for their crimes the need for more prisons will diminish. Less crime will occur.
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 12, 2024 22:19:23 GMT -5
That’s what they claim the new rule does. Which is their spin. The White House ended their press release about the rule with: “Today, the Biden-Harris Administration is moving as close as possible to universal background checks without additional legislation. President Biden and Vice President Harris continue to call on Congress to enact universal background checks and finish the job.” “Universal background checks.” Means they want every gun transfer catalogued. They state openly this is a step towards that. I cannot yet find the actual rule online. How do you go from universal background checks to every gun transfer catalogued? Paranoia and supposition don't count. And who are "they"? They’re one and the same. Right now its possible for the government to trace every new gun you’ve ever bought from a licensed dealer. Its not a one step process. Its a several step process. But it can be done pretty easily and it does not require a warrant. Because it requires a few steps, it skates around the prohibition against a Federal firearm registry. The data doesn’t live in one database. Its split up between a few databases. Therefore there is no “registry.” But they can find out what you bought all the same as if there was a registry. A gun that is so traceable only falls off the government’s radar screen once its changes hands apart from a licensed dealer. Slippery slops are real and the Left loves to ride them, denying that neither the slope nor the slide exists as they shoot down it full speed head. It would be easy to make the multi-step process a single-step process. And the Left absolutely wants to. Even if databases aren’t combined in the future to make for a one-click search, universal background checks would allow every gun transaction to be traceable the way they currently are with licensed dealers.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 12, 2024 22:23:53 GMT -5
How do you go from universal background checks to every gun transfer catalogued? Paranoia and supposition don't count. And who are "they"? They’re one and the same. Right now its possible for the government to trace every new gun you’ve ever bought from a licensed dealer. Its not a one step process. Its a several step process. But it can be done pretty easily and it does not require a warrant. Because it requires a few steps, it skates around the prohibition against a Federal firearm registry. The data doesn’t live in one database. Its split up between a few databases. Therefore there is no “registry.” But they can find out what you bought all the same as if there was a registry. A gun that is so traceable only falls off the government’s radar screen once its changes hands apart from a licensed dealer. Slippery slops are real and the Left loves to ride them, denying that neither the slope nor the slide exists as they shoot down it full speed head. It would be easy to make the multi-step process a single-step process. And the Left absolutely wants to. Even if databases aren’t combined in the future to make for a one-click search, universal background checks would allow every gun transaction to be traceable the way they currently are with licensed dealers. You're the one arguing the slippery slope, not me, and as far as I can tell, not any democrats either. Presuming all you said is correct, then it's too late already for the overwhelming number of firearms. Yet this one click search you speak of doesn't exist (except in your mind). That doesn't sound very slippery to me, although I'm not one to be overly paranoid about these matters. Who are "they"? Biden and Harris? The Left? Democrats? Gun control advocates? The voices in your head?
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