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Post by PolarsStepdad on Apr 8, 2024 9:12:44 GMT -5
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Post by ferris1248 on Apr 8, 2024 9:20:36 GMT -5
The topic is about the Russians and how they attempt to influence American interests. In fact the article plainly states the Trumps had no knowledge of the connection. I have to laugh at your naivety. 😂 The Rooskies have been attempting to influence our elections and society since the 1920’s!🤫🤫🤫 Of course they have. WWW has just brought it to the attention of the public.
Now why would Donald Trump or anyone else be so open to blatant Russian influence and have their name and reputation destroyed? The article clearly points they were not aware.
What benefit is being the next Benedict Arnold? I know you hate and despise him and wish he and his entire family and supporters were killed off but one thing Trump values is his name and family. I have no desire to "kill" anyone. I think you're confusing me with IllinoisFisherman.
Do yourself a favor and quit falling for the bullshit propaganda, I think your smarter than that. Thank you for the compliment.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 8, 2024 10:18:25 GMT -5
🤣😜😂
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Post by luapnor on Apr 8, 2024 10:58:45 GMT -5
When we stop destroying and manipulating elections in other countries, then we can judge the behaviors of other countries Only a fool would thi k we are the only country to do so. And even worse that others do it to us. Only a fool would make a big deal out of someone doing it to us like its a unique event.
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Post by ferris1248 on Apr 8, 2024 11:07:38 GMT -5
Only a fool would thi k we are the only country to do so. And even worse that others do it to us. Only a fool would make a big deal out of someone doing it to us like its a unique event. Go sit around the campfire with your buddies Putin, Xi, Ali Khamenei and Kim Jong Un and sing kumbaya. There is no perfect world. If we do not defend ourselves, much as they do, we are toast. But maybe you prefer that?
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Post by cyclist on Apr 8, 2024 12:23:45 GMT -5
Who really cares if they try? Not the idiots who vote for a felon rapist traitor....
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Post by ferris1248 on Apr 8, 2024 13:20:45 GMT -5
"As MAGA members of Congress including Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), Thomas Massie (R-WV), and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) oppose sending additional aid to Ukraine as it fights against a Russian invasion, GOP Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX), Chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said Russian propaganda has “infected a good chunk of my party’s base.” "Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH), also a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, supported McCaul’s claim on CNN’s ‘State of the Union’ this weekend. Turner said: “We see directly coming from Russia attempts to mask communications that are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia messages – some of which we even hear being uttered on the House floor.” "Turner added: “There are members of the House today who still incorrectly say this conflict between Russia and Ukraine is over NATO, which of course it is not…Vladimir Putin made it very clear publicly and to his own population… that all of Ukraine territory is Russia’s.” "Turner said the “infection” of Russian propaganda is “an authoritarian versus democracy battle,” and noted that Chinese President Xi and Putin “have identified it as such.” Turner added: “We know authoritarian regimes never stop when they start an aggression.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-congressman-says-russian-propaganda-being-uttered-on-the-house-floor/ar-BB1le5Kj?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=8c975aa06f4640429ca16b6632a4e701&ei=55
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Post by hig on Apr 8, 2024 13:22:48 GMT -5
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Post by conchydong on Apr 8, 2024 14:10:39 GMT -5
I’m all in for supporting Ukraine and Israel. I just wished we gave them the F 16s and Patriots sooner instead of playing politics and seeing how support went before making decisions. We gave Russia time enough to regroup and change strategies. I’d rather put my tax dollars there than giving them to kids that got student loans for worthless degree and don’t want to pay them off. Many of us went through the school of hard knocks and you have to learn from mistakes and not be rewarded for them.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Apr 8, 2024 14:34:26 GMT -5
I’m all in for supporting Ukraine and Israel. I just wished we gave them the F 16s and Patriots sooner instead of playing politics and seeing how support went before making decisions. We gave Russia time enough to regroup and change strategies. I’d rather put my tax dollars there than giving them to kids that got student loans for worthless degree and don’t want to pay them off. Many of us went through the school of hard knocks and you have to learn from mistakes and not be rewarded for them. Yep. Had we kept pouring the coal to them they'd have been screwed. But we let them regroup. Definitely a blunder. Ole Ronnie Ray Gun is flipping
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Post by johngalt on Apr 8, 2024 16:35:41 GMT -5
"As MAGA members of Congress including Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), Thomas Massie (R-WV), and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) oppose sending additional aid to Ukraine as it fights against a Russian invasion, GOP Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX), Chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said Russian propaganda has “infected a good chunk of my party’s base.” "Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH), also a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, supported McCaul’s claim on CNN’s ‘State of the Union’ this weekend. Turner said: “We see directly coming from Russia attempts to mask communications that are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia messages – some of which we even hear being uttered on the House floor.” "Turner added: “There are members of the House today who still incorrectly say this conflict between Russia and Ukraine is over NATO, which of course it is not…Vladimir Putin made it very clear publicly and to his own population… that all of Ukraine territory is Russia’s.” "Turner said the “infection” of Russian propaganda is “an authoritarian versus democracy battle,” and noted that Chinese President Xi and Putin “have identified it as such.” Turner added: “We know authoritarian regimes never stop when they start an aggression.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-congressman-says-russian-propaganda-being-uttered-on-the-house-floor/ar-BB1le5Kj?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=8c975aa06f4640429ca16b6632a4e701&ei=55 Please give it a rest. Did you question Vietnam? If so you were a communist stooge. See how that works? I hate to break the news to you but, we can give Ukraine all the weapons and money we want but it won’t work. They are running out of manpower. The average age of a frontline Ukrainian troop is 40. As others just said, why didn’t NATO and the US give them the weapons they needed at the start or even before? Study up what happened in 2014. Now maybe you can see why the real goal is to insert NATO and US troops into that war.
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Post by Captj on Apr 9, 2024 6:14:32 GMT -5
The intransigence of our politicians in Washington is truly amazing. They all wear American flag pins on their lapels, but have no idea of what it takes to promote democracy on the world stage. Those greedy fucks only know how to divert funds into their own pockets. Ever seen a poor politician in Washington?
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 9, 2024 7:06:53 GMT -5
"As MAGA members of Congress including Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), Thomas Massie (R-WV), and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) oppose sending additional aid to Ukraine as it fights against a Russian invasion, GOP Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX), Chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said Russian propaganda has “infected a good chunk of my party’s base.” "Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH), also a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, supported McCaul’s claim on CNN’s ‘State of the Union’ this weekend. Turner said: “We see directly coming from Russia attempts to mask communications that are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia messages – some of which we even hear being uttered on the House floor.” "Turner added: “There are members of the House today who still incorrectly say this conflict between Russia and Ukraine is over NATO, which of course it is not…Vladimir Putin made it very clear publicly and to his own population… that all of Ukraine territory is Russia’s.” "Turner said the “infection” of Russian propaganda is “an authoritarian versus democracy battle,” and noted that Chinese President Xi and Putin “have identified it as such.” Turner added: “We know authoritarian regimes never stop when they start an aggression.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-congressman-says-russian-propaganda-being-uttered-on-the-house-floor/ar-BB1le5Kj?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=8c975aa06f4640429ca16b6632a4e701&ei=55 Please give it a rest. Did you question Vietnam? If so you were a communist stooge. See how that works? I hate to break the news to you but, we can give Ukraine all the weapons and money we want but it won’t work. They are running out of manpower. The average age of a frontline Ukrainian troop is 40. As others just said, why didn’t NATO and the US give them the weapons they needed at the start or even before? Study up what happened in 2014. Now maybe you can see why the real goal is to insert NATO and US troops into that war. If NATO is trying to directly join the war, why don’t they do just it? The greater likelihood is that the war is exactly what it seems. NATO had muddled their way through it. They didn’t think Ukraine would last long in the beginning so their early planning was centered around fostering a long-term insurgency behind Russian lines. Then Russia failed to adapt for the first entire year and it seemed like Ukraine might pull out a total victory, so plans went in that direction. Then Russia got lots of material help from the Axis of Evil countries and finally started to learn from their mistakes. And now we’re not sure which direction to go. The most prudent outcome at this point IMO would be to ceed Dombas to Russia, have the war officially “end,” then immediately occupy Ukraine with NATO troops so that Russia can expand no further into Ukraine for the years to come. I don’t think that will happen though, because Russia has never only wanted Dombas. Now that Russia sees that NATO actually has no interest in a wider war, they’ll try to wait NATO out, fight Ukraine to exhaustion, then take the whole country. At the cost of nearly all of Russia’s fighting manpower. But it won’t matter, because Russia (Putin) actually knows and understands that NATO is defensive only and will always let Russia make the first move. NATO will never invade Russia as a first move. It will always be Russia on the offense. So if he burns 90% of his army in Ukraine, he can then let Russia rest for 10 years, rebuild its manpower, then move on to the next object of conquest, probably left for Putin’s successor.
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Post by johngalt on Apr 9, 2024 8:13:48 GMT -5
Please give it a rest. Did you question Vietnam? If so you were a communist stooge. See how that works? I hate to break the news to you but, we can give Ukraine all the weapons and money we want but it won’t work. They are running out of manpower. The average age of a frontline Ukrainian troop is 40. As others just said, why didn’t NATO and the US give them the weapons they needed at the start or even before? Study up what happened in 2014. Now maybe you can see why the real goal is to insert NATO and US troops into that war. If NATO is trying to directly join the war, why don’t they do just it? The greater likelihood is that the war is exactly what it seems. NATO had muddled their way through it. They didn’t think Ukraine would last long in the beginning so their early planning was centered around fostering a long-term insurgency behind Russian lines. Then Russia failed to adapt for the first entire year and it seemed like Ukraine might pull out a total victory, so plans went in that direction. Then Russia got lots of material help from the Axis of Evil countries and finally started to learn from their mistakes. And now we’re not sure which direction to go. The most prudent outcome at this point IMO would be to ceed Dombas to Russia, have the war officially “end,” then immediately occupy Ukraine with NATO troops so that Russia can expand no further into Ukraine for the years to come. I don’t think that will happen though, because Russia has never only wanted Dombas. Now that Russia sees that NATO actually has no interest in a wider war, they’ll try to wait NATO out, fight Ukraine to exhaustion, then take the whole country. At the cost of nearly all of Russia’s fighting manpower. But it won’t matter, because Russia (Putin) actually knows and understands that NATO is defensive only and will always let Russia make the first move. NATO will never invade Russia as a first move. It will always be Russia on the offense. So if he burns 90% of his army in Ukraine, he can then let Russia rest for 10 years, rebuild its manpower, then move on to the next object of conquest, probably left for Putin’s successor. Looks like your wish will come true? www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-secretary-state-blinken-says-ukraine-will-be-nato-member-2024-04-04/ I hope everyone understands what comes with membership? Maybe that’s why they are prepping everyone for US and some other member’s troops to be sent into Ukraine? As the old saying goes, War is Peace. 😉
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Post by cadman on Apr 9, 2024 9:34:11 GMT -5
If NATO is trying to directly join the war, why don’t they do just it? The greater likelihood is that the war is exactly what it seems. NATO had muddled their way through it. They didn’t think Ukraine would last long in the beginning so their early planning was centered around fostering a long-term insurgency behind Russian lines. Then Russia failed to adapt for the first entire year and it seemed like Ukraine might pull out a total victory, so plans went in that direction. Then Russia got lots of material help from the Axis of Evil countries and finally started to learn from their mistakes. And now we’re not sure which direction to go. The most prudent outcome at this point IMO would be to ceed Dombas to Russia, have the war officially “end,” then immediately occupy Ukraine with NATO troops so that Russia can expand no further into Ukraine for the years to come. I don’t think that will happen though, because Russia has never only wanted Dombas. Now that Russia sees that NATO actually has no interest in a wider war, they’ll try to wait NATO out, fight Ukraine to exhaustion, then take the whole country. At the cost of nearly all of Russia’s fighting manpower. But it won’t matter, because Russia (Putin) actually knows and understands that NATO is defensive only and will always let Russia make the first move. NATO will never invade Russia as a first move. It will always be Russia on the offense. So if he burns 90% of his army in Ukraine, he can then let Russia rest for 10 years, rebuild its manpower, then move on to the next object of conquest, probably left for Putin’s successor. Looks like your wish will come true? www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-secretary-state-blinken-says-ukraine-will-be-nato-member-2024-04-04/ I hope everyone understands what comes with membership? Maybe that’s why they are prepping everyone for US and some other member’s troops to be sent into Ukraine? As the old saying goes, War is Peace. 😉 NATO decided that last year www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm#:~:text=At%20the%202023%20Vilnius%20Summit%2C%20Allies%20reaffirmed%20their%20commitment%20that,for%20the%20Membership%20Action%20Plan.
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